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From: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-csky@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC 00/20] TLB batching consolidation and enhancements
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 13:30:45 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1612063149.2awdsvvmhj.astroid@bobo.none> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210131001132.3368247-1-namit@vmware.com>

Excerpts from Nadav Amit's message of January 31, 2021 10:11 am:
> From: Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>
> 
> There are currently (at least?) 5 different TLB batching schemes in the
> kernel:
> 
> 1. Using mmu_gather (e.g., zap_page_range()).
> 
> 2. Using {inc|dec}_tlb_flush_pending() to inform other threads on the
>    ongoing deferred TLB flush and flushing the entire range eventually
>    (e.g., change_protection_range()).
> 
> 3. arch_{enter|leave}_lazy_mmu_mode() for sparc and powerpc (and Xen?).
> 
> 4. Batching per-table flushes (move_ptes()).
> 
> 5. By setting a flag on that a deferred TLB flush operation takes place,
>    flushing when (try_to_unmap_one() on x86).
> 
> It seems that (1)-(4) can be consolidated. In addition, it seems that
> (5) is racy. It also seems there can be many redundant TLB flushes, and
> potentially TLB-shootdown storms, for instance during batched
> reclamation (using try_to_unmap_one()) if at the same time mmu_gather
> defers TLB flushes.
> 
> More aggressive TLB batching may be possible, but this patch-set does
> not add such batching. The proposed changes would enable such batching
> in a later time.
> 
> Admittedly, I do not understand how things are not broken today, which
> frightens me to make further batching before getting things in order.
> For instance, why is ok for zap_pte_range() to batch dirty-PTE flushes
> for each page-table (but not in greater granularity). Can't
> ClearPageDirty() be called before the flush, causing writes after
> ClearPageDirty() and before the flush to be lost?

Because it's holding the page table lock which stops page_mkclean from 
cleaning the page. Or am I misunderstanding the question?

I'll go through the patches a bit more closely when they all come 
through. Sparc and powerpc of course need the arch lazy mode to get 
per-page/pte information for operations that are not freeing pages, 
which is what mmu gather is designed for.

I wouldn't mind using a similar API so it's less of a black box when 
reading generic code, but it might not quite fit the mmu gather API
exactly (most of these paths don't want a full mmu_gather on stack).

> 
> This patch-set therefore performs the following changes:
> 
> 1. Change mprotect, task_mmu and mapping_dirty_helpers to use mmu_gather
>    instead of {inc|dec}_tlb_flush_pending().
> 
> 2. Avoid TLB flushes if PTE permission is not demoted.
> 
> 3. Cleans up mmu_gather to be less arch-dependant.
> 
> 4. Uses mm's generations to track in finer granularity, either per-VMA
>    or per page-table, whether a pending mmu_gather operation is
>    outstanding. This should allow to avoid some TLB flushes when KSM or
>    memory reclamation takes place while another operation such as
>    munmap() or mprotect() is running.
> 
> 5. Changes try_to_unmap_one() flushing scheme, as the current seems
>    broken to track in a bitmap which CPUs have outstanding TLB flushes
>    instead of having a flag.

Putting fixes first, and cleanups and independent patches (like #2) next
would help with getting stuff merged and backported.

Thanks,
Nick

  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-01-31  3:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-01-31  0:11 [RFC 00/20] TLB batching consolidation and enhancements Nadav Amit
2021-01-31  0:11 ` [RFC 11/20] mm/tlb: remove arch-specific tlb_start/end_vma() Nadav Amit
2021-02-01 12:09   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-02-02  6:41     ` Nicholas Piggin
2021-02-02  7:20       ` Nadav Amit
2021-02-02  9:31         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-02-02  9:54           ` Nadav Amit
2021-02-02 11:04             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-31  0:39 ` [RFC 00/20] TLB batching consolidation and enhancements Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-31  1:08   ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-31  3:30 ` Nicholas Piggin [this message]
2021-01-31  7:57   ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-31  8:14     ` Nadav Amit
2021-02-01 12:44     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-02-02  7:14       ` Nicholas Piggin

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