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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>
Cc: Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Gerald Schaefer <gerald.schaefer@de.ibm.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	linux-csky@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/25] mm/csky: Use mm_fault_accounting()
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:15:31 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wj_V2Tps2QrMn20_W0OJF9xqNh52XSGA42s-ZJ8Y+GyKw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200617195807.GH76766@xz-x1>

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 12:58 PM Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> But currently remote GUP will still do the page fault accounting on the remote
> task_struct, am I right?  E.g., when the get_user_pages_remote() is called with
> "tsk != current", it seems the faultin_page() will still do maj_flt/min_flt
> accounting for that remote task/thread?

Well, that would be a data race and fundamentally buggy.

It would be ok with something like ptrace (which only works when the
target is quiescent), but is completely wrong otherwise.

I guess it works fine in practice, and it's only statistics so even if
you were to have a data race it doesn't much matter, but it's
definitely conceptually very very wrong.

The fault stats should be about who does the fault (they are about the
_thread_) not about who the fault is done to (which is about the
_mm_).

Allocating the fault data to somebody else sounds frankly silly and
stupid to me, exactly because it's (a) racy and (b) not even
conceptually correct. The other thread literally _isn't_ doing a major
page fault, for crissake!

Now, there are some actual per-mm statistics too (the rss stuff etc),
and it's fundamentally harder exactly because of the shared data. See
the mm_counter stuff etc. Those are not about who does soemthing, they
are about the resulting MM state.

            Linus

  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-17 20:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20200615221607.7764-1-peterx@redhat.com>
2020-06-15 22:15 ` [PATCH 07/25] mm/csky: Use mm_fault_accounting() Peter Xu
2020-06-17  7:04   ` Guo Ren
2020-06-17 15:49     ` Peter Xu
2020-06-17 17:53       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-06-17 19:58         ` Peter Xu
2020-06-17 20:15           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2020-06-18 14:38             ` Peter Xu
2020-06-18 17:15               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-06-18 21:24                 ` Peter Xu
2020-06-18 22:28                   ` Peter Xu
2020-06-18 22:59                     ` Linus Torvalds

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