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Subject: Re: extending ucontext (Re: [PATCH v26 25/30] x86/cet/shstk: Handle signals for shadow stack)
Date: Thu, 6 May 2021 16:31:06 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrWbOP_exK9cHT9vEDsQjorqC4SjhyU+gUzmGNdanO-enw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bf16ab7e-bf27-68eb-efc9-c0468fb1c651@intel.com>

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 3:05 PM Yu, Yu-cheng <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com> wrote:
>
> On 5/4/2021 1:49 PM, Yu, Yu-cheng wrote:
> > On 4/30/2021 11:32 AM, Yu, Yu-cheng wrote:
> >> On 4/30/2021 10:47 AM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 10:00 AM Yu, Yu-cheng <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> On 4/28/2021 4:03 PM, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 1:44 PM Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When shadow stack is enabled, a task's shadow stack states must be
> >>>>>> saved
> >>>>>> along with the signal context and later restored in sigreturn.
> >>>>>> However,
> >>>>>> currently there is no systematic facility for extending a signal
> >>>>>> context.
> >>>>>> There is some space left in the ucontext, but changing ucontext is
> >>>>>> likely
> >>>>>> to create compatibility issues and there is not enough space for
> >>>>>> further
> >>>>>> extensions.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Introduce a signal context extension struct 'sc_ext', which is
> >>>>>> used to save
> >>>>>> shadow stack restore token address.  The extension is located
> >>>>>> above the fpu
> >>>>>> states, plus alignment.  The struct can be extended (such as the
> >>>>>> ibt's
> >>>>>> wait_endbr status to be introduced later), and sc_ext.total_size
> >>>>>> field
> >>>>>> keeps track of total size.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I still don't like this.
> >>>>>
>
> [...]
>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> That's where we are right now upstream.  The kernel has a parser for
> >>>>> the FPU state that is bugs piled upon bugs and is going to have to be
> >>>>> rewritten sometime soon.  On top of all this, we have two upcoming
> >>>>> features, both of which require different kinds of extensions:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1. AVX-512.  (Yeah, you thought this story was over a few years ago,
> >>>>> but no.  And AMX makes it worse.)  To make a long story short, we
> >>>>> promised user code many years ago that a signal frame fit in 2048
> >>>>> bytes with some room to spare.  With AVX-512 this is false.  With AMX
> >>>>> it's so wrong it's not even funny.  The only way out of the mess
> >>>>> anyone has come up with involves making the length of the FPU state
> >>>>> vary depending on which features are INIT, i.e. making it more compact
> >>>>> than "compact" mode is.  This has a side effect: it's no longer
> >>>>> possible to modify the state in place, because enabling a feature with
> >>>>> no space allocated will make the structure bigger, and the stack won't
> >>>>> have room.  Fortunately, one can relocate the entire FPU state, update
> >>>>> the pointer in mcontext, and the kernel will happily follow the
> >>>>> pointer.  So new code on a new kernel using a super-compact state
> >>>>> could expand the state by allocating new memory (on the heap? very
> >>>>> awkwardly on the stack?) and changing the pointer.  For all we know,
> >>>>> some code already fiddles with the pointer.  This is great, except
> >>>>> that your patch sticks more data at the end of the FPU block that no
> >>>>> one is expecting, and your sigreturn code follows that pointer, and
> >>>>> will read off into lala land.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Then, what about we don't do that at all.  Is it possible from now
> >>>> on we
> >>>> don't stick more data at the end, and take the relocating-fpu approach?
> >>>>
> >>>>> 2. CET.  CET wants us to find a few more bytes somewhere, and those
> >>>>> bytes logically belong in ucontext, and here we are.
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Fortunately, we can spare CET the need of ucontext extension.  When the
> >>>> kernel handles sigreturn, the user-mode shadow stack pointer is
> >>>> right at
> >>>> the restore token.  There is no need to put that in ucontext.
> >>>
> >>> That seems entirely reasonable.  This might also avoid needing to
> >>> teach CRIU about CET at all.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> However, the WAIT_ENDBR status needs to be saved/restored for signals.
> >>>> Since IBT is now dependent on shadow stack, we can use a spare bit of
> >>>> the shadow stack restore token for that.
> >>>
> >>> That seems like unnecessary ABI coupling.  We have plenty of bits in
> >>> uc_flags, and we have an entire reserved word in sigcontext.  How
> >>> about just sticking this bit in one of those places?
> >>
> >> Yes, I will make it UC_WAIT_ENDBR.
> >
> > Personally, I think an explicit flag is cleaner than using a reserved
> > word somewhere.  However, there is a small issue: ia32 has no uc_flags.
> >
> > This series can support legacy apps up to now.  But, instead of creating
> > too many special cases, perhaps we should drop CET support of ia32?
> >
> > Thoughts?

I'm really not thrilled about coupling IBT and SHSTK like this.

Here are a couple of possible solutions:

- Don't support IBT in 32-bit mode, or maybe just don't support IBT
with legacy 32-bit signals.  The actual mechanics of this could be
awkward.  Maybe we would reject the sigaction() call or the
IBT-enabling request if they conflict?

- Find some space in the signal frame for these flags.  Looking around
a bit, sigframe_ia32 has fpstate_unused, but I can imagine things like
CRIU getting very confused if it stops being unused.  sigframe_ia32
uses sigcontext_32, which has a bunch of reserved space in __gsh,
__fsh, etc.

rt_sigframe_ia32 has uc_flags, so this isn't a real problem.

I don't have a brilliant solution here.

  reply	other threads:[~2021-05-06 23:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-04-27 20:42 [PATCH v26 00/30] Control-flow Enforcement: Shadow Stack Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:42 ` [PATCH v26 01/30] Documentation/x86: Add CET description Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:42 ` [PATCH v26 02/30] x86/cet/shstk: Add Kconfig option for Shadow Stack Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:42 ` [PATCH v26 03/30] x86/cpufeatures: Add CET CPU feature flags for Control-flow Enforcement Technology (CET) Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:42 ` [PATCH v26 04/30] x86/cpufeatures: Introduce CPU setup and option parsing for CET Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:42 ` [PATCH v26 05/30] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce CET MSR and XSAVES supervisor states Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:42 ` [PATCH v26 06/30] x86/cet: Add control-protection fault handler Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:42 ` [PATCH v26 07/30] x86/mm: Remove _PAGE_DIRTY from kernel RO pages Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:42 ` [PATCH v26 08/30] x86/mm: Move pmd_write(), pud_write() up in the file Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:42 ` [PATCH v26 09/30] x86/mm: Introduce _PAGE_COW Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:42 ` [PATCH v26 10/30] drm/i915/gvt: Change _PAGE_DIRTY to _PAGE_DIRTY_BITS Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:42 ` [PATCH v26 11/30] x86/mm: Update pte_modify for _PAGE_COW Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:42 ` [PATCH v26 12/30] x86/mm: Update ptep_set_wrprotect() and pmdp_set_wrprotect() for transition from _PAGE_DIRTY to _PAGE_COW Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:42 ` [PATCH v26 13/30] mm: Introduce VM_SHADOW_STACK for shadow stack memory Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:42 ` [PATCH v26 14/30] x86/mm: Shadow Stack page fault error checking Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:43 ` [PATCH v26 15/30] x86/mm: Update maybe_mkwrite() for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:43 ` [PATCH v26 16/30] mm: Fixup places that call pte_mkwrite() directly Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:43 ` [PATCH v26 17/30] mm: Add guard pages around a shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:43 ` [PATCH v26 18/30] mm/mmap: Add shadow stack pages to memory accounting Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:43 ` [PATCH v26 19/30] mm: Update can_follow_write_pte() for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:43 ` [PATCH v26 20/30] mm/mprotect: Exclude shadow stack from preserve_write Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:43 ` [PATCH v26 21/30] mm: Re-introduce vm_flags to do_mmap() Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:43 ` [PATCH v26 22/30] x86/cet/shstk: Add user-mode shadow stack support Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-28 17:52   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-28 18:39     ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-04-29  9:12       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-29 16:17         ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-04-29 16:45           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-27 20:43 ` [PATCH v26 23/30] x86/cet/shstk: Handle thread shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2021-05-10 14:15   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-05-10 22:57     ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-05-11 17:09       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-05-12  8:12         ` David Laight
2021-05-11 18:35     ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-05-12 15:56       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-27 20:43 ` [PATCH v26 24/30] x86/cet/shstk: Introduce shadow stack token setup/verify routines Yu-cheng Yu
2021-05-17  7:45   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-05-17 20:55     ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-05-18  0:14       ` Eugene Syromiatnikov
2021-05-18 17:58         ` Borislav Petkov
2021-05-18 19:45           ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-05-18 18:05         ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-05-18  5:56       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-05-21 16:17     ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-05-21 18:40       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-04-27 20:43 ` [PATCH v26 25/30] x86/cet/shstk: Handle signals for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-28 23:03   ` extending ucontext (Re: [PATCH v26 25/30] x86/cet/shstk: Handle signals for shadow stack) Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-28 23:20     ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-04-29  7:28     ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2021-04-29 14:44       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-29 15:35         ` Cyrill Gorcunov
2021-04-30  6:45     ` Florian Weimer
2021-04-30 17:00     ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-04-30 17:47       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-04-30 18:32         ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-05-04 20:49           ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-05-06 22:05             ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-05-06 23:31               ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2021-05-02 23:23         ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-05-03  6:03           ` H. Peter Anvin
2021-05-03 15:13           ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-05-03 15:29             ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-05-03 20:25               ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-04-27 20:43 ` [PATCH v26 26/30] ELF: Introduce arch_setup_elf_property() Yu-cheng Yu
2021-05-19 18:10   ` Borislav Petkov
2021-05-19 22:14     ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-05-20  9:26       ` Borislav Petkov
2021-05-20 17:18         ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-05-20 17:35           ` Borislav Petkov
2021-05-20 17:51             ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-05-20 17:38       ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-05-20 17:52         ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-05-20 21:06           ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-04-27 20:43 ` [PATCH v26 27/30] x86/cet/shstk: Add arch_prctl functions for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:43 ` [PATCH v26 28/30] mm: Move arch_calc_vm_prot_bits() to arch/x86/include/asm/mman.h Yu-cheng Yu
2021-04-27 20:43 ` [PATCH v26 29/30] mm: Update arch_validate_flags() to test vma anonymous Yu-cheng Yu
2021-05-11 11:35   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-04-27 20:43 ` [PATCH v26 30/30] mm: Introduce PROT_SHADOW_STACK for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu
2021-05-11 11:48   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-05-11 14:44     ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-04-29 17:13 ` [PATCH v26 00/30] Control-flow Enforcement: Shadow Stack Borislav Petkov
2021-04-29 17:32   ` Yu, Yu-cheng
2021-04-29 17:49     ` Borislav Petkov

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