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From: Andreas Dilger <adilger@dilger.ca>
To: Harshad Shirwadkar <harshadshirwadkar@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-ext4 <linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] ext4: shrink directories on dentry delete
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 04:06:52 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <04F44879-15DE-42EE-B87A-0690E9B13BB2@dilger.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200325093728.204211-2-harshadshirwadkar@gmail.com>

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On Mar 25, 2020, at 3:37 AM, Harshad Shirwadkar <harshadshirwadkar@gmail.com> wrote:
> But note that most of the shrinking happens during last 1-2% deletions
> in an average case. Therefore, the next step here is to merge dx nodes
> when possible. That can be achieved by storing the fullness index in
> htree nodes. But that's an on-disk format change. We can instead build
> on tooling added by this patch to perform reverse lookup on a dx
> node and then reading adjacent nodes to check their fullness.

Thank you for updating these patches again.  I haven't had a chance to look
at them yet, but I hope to review the patches in the near future.

As for storing the fullness on disk changing the on-disk format...  That is
true, but the original htree implementation anticipated this and reserved
space in the htree index to store the fullness, so it would not break the
ability of older kernels to access directories with the fullness information.

I think if you used just a few bits (maybe just 2) to store:
0 = unset (every directory today)
1 = under 20% full
2 = under 40% full
3 = under 60% full

or similar.  It doesn't matter if they are more full since they won't be
candidates for merging, and then lazily update the htree index fullness
as entries are removed, this will simplify the shrinking process, and will
avoid the need to repeatedly scan the leaf blocks to see if they are empty
enough for merging.  It wouldn't be any worse *not* to store these values
on disk after the first time a "0 = unset" entry was found and not merged,
or setting the fullness on the merged block if it is merged, and running
"e2fsck -D" can easily update the fullness values.

The benefit of using 20%, 40%, and 60% as the fullness markers is that it
is possible to either merge adjacent 60% and 40% blocks or alternately a
60% and two adjacent 20% blocks.  Also, since these values are very coarse
they would not need to be updated frequently.  If the values are slightly
outdated, then it is again not worse than the "always scan" model (one scan
and the fullness would be updated), but more efficient than repeat scanning.

Using only two bits for fullness also leaves two bits free for future use.

Cheers, Andreas






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  reply	other threads:[~2020-03-25 10:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-25  9:37 [PATCH 1/2] ext4: return lblk from ext4_find_entry Harshad Shirwadkar
2020-03-25  9:37 ` [PATCH 2/2] ext4: shrink directories on dentry delete Harshad Shirwadkar
2020-03-25 10:06   ` Andreas Dilger [this message]
2020-03-26 19:49     ` harshad shirwadkar
2020-03-26 21:07       ` Andreas Dilger
2020-03-29  0:01   ` Andreas Dilger
2020-04-07  6:39     ` harshad shirwadkar
2020-03-28 23:24 ` [PATCH 1/2] ext4: return lblk from ext4_find_entry Andreas Dilger
2020-04-07  6:35   ` harshad shirwadkar

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