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From: Ming Lei <ming.lei@redhat.com>
To: "Theodore Y. Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Andrea Vai <andrea.vai@unipv.it>,
	"Schmid, Carsten" <Carsten_Schmid@mentor.com>,
	Finn Thain <fthain@telegraphics.com.au>,
	Damien Le Moal <Damien.LeMoal@wdc.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	Johannes Thumshirn <jthumshirn@suse.de>,
	USB list <linux-usb@vger.kernel.org>,
	SCSI development list <linux-scsi@vger.kernel.org>,
	Himanshu Madhani <himanshu.madhani@cavium.com>,
	Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.com>, Omar Sandoval <osandov@fb.com>,
	"Martin K. Petersen" <martin.petersen@oracle.com>,
	Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Hans Holmberg <Hans.Holmberg@wdc.com>,
	Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: AW: Slow I/O on USB media after commit f664a3cc17b7d0a2bc3b3ab96181e1029b0ec0e6
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 12:00:58 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191211040058.GC6864@ming.t460p> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191211024137.GB61323@mit.edu>

On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 09:41:37PM -0500, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 04:05:50PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> > > > The path[2] is expected behaviour. Not sure path [1] is correct,
> > > > given
> > > > ext4_release_file() is supposed to be called when this inode is
> > > > released. That means the file is closed 4358 times during 1GB file
> > > > copying to usb storage.
> > > > 
> > > > [1] insert requests when returning to user mode from syscall
> > > > 
> > > >   b'blk_mq_sched_request_inserted'
> > > >   b'blk_mq_sched_request_inserted'
> > > >   b'dd_insert_requests'
> > > >   b'blk_mq_sched_insert_requests'
> > > >   b'blk_mq_flush_plug_list'
> > > >   b'blk_flush_plug_list'
> > > >   b'io_schedule_prepare'
> > > >   b'io_schedule'
> > > >   b'rq_qos_wait'
> > > >   b'wbt_wait'
> > > >   b'__rq_qos_throttle'
> > > >   b'blk_mq_make_request'
> > > >   b'generic_make_request'
> > > >   b'submit_bio'
> > > >   b'ext4_io_submit'
> > > >   b'ext4_writepages'
> > > >   b'do_writepages'
> > > >   b'__filemap_fdatawrite_range'
> > > >   b'ext4_release_file'
> > > >   b'__fput'
> > > >   b'task_work_run'
> > > >   b'exit_to_usermode_loop'
> > > >   b'do_syscall_64'
> > > >   b'entry_SYSCALL_64_after_hwframe'
> > > >     4358
> 
> I'm guessing that your workload is repeatedly truncating a file (or
> calling open with O_TRUNC) and then writing data to it.  When you do
> this, then when the file is closed, we assume that since you were
> replacing the previous contents of a file with new contents, that you
> would be unhappy if the file contents was replaced by a zero length
> file after a crash.  That's because ten years, ago there were a *huge*
> number of crappy applications that would replace a file by reading it
> into memory, truncating it, and then write out the new contents of the
> file.  This could be a high score file for a game, or a KDE or GNOME
> state file, etc.
> 
> So if someone does open, truncate, write, close, we still immediately
> writing out the data on the close, assuming that the programmer really
> wanted open, truncate, write, fsync, close, but was too careless to
> actually do the right thing.
> 
> Some workaround[1] like this is done by all of the major file systems,
> and was fallout the agreement from the "O_PONIES"[2] controversy.
> This was discussed and agreed to at the 2009 LSF/MM workshop.  (See
> the "rename, fsync, and ponies" section.)
> 
> [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/317781/comments/45
> [2] https://blahg.josefsipek.net/?p=364
> [3] https://lwn.net/Articles/327601/
> 
> So if you're seeing a call to filemap_fdatawrite_range as the result
> of a fput, that's why.
> 
> In any case, this behavior has been around for a decade, and it
> appears to be incidental to your performance difficulties with your
> USB thumbdrive and block-mq.

I didn't reproduce the issue in my test environment, and follows
Andrea's test commands[1]:

  mount UUID=$uuid /mnt/pendrive 2>&1 |tee -a $logfile
  SECONDS=0
  cp $testfile /mnt/pendrive 2>&1 |tee -a $logfile
  umount /mnt/pendrive 2>&1 |tee -a $logfile

The 'cp' command supposes to open/close the file just once, however
ext4_release_file() & write pages is observed to run for 4358 times
when executing the above 'cp' test.


[1] https://marc.info/?l=linux-kernel&m=157486689806734&w=2


Thanks,
Ming


  reply	other threads:[~2019-12-11  4:01 UTC|newest]

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2019-12-03  2:23                   ` AW: Slow I/O on USB media after commit f664a3cc17b7d0a2bc3b3ab96181e1029b0ec0e6 Ming Lei
2019-12-10  7:35                     ` Andrea Vai
2019-12-10  8:05                       ` Ming Lei
2019-12-11  2:41                         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-12-11  4:00                           ` Ming Lei [this message]
2019-12-11 16:07                             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-12-11 21:33                               ` Ming Lei
2019-12-12  7:34                                 ` Andrea Vai
2019-12-18  8:25                                 ` Andrea Vai
2019-12-18  9:48                                   ` Ming Lei
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2019-12-23 13:08                                       ` Ming Lei
2019-12-23 16:26                                         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-12-23 16:29                                           ` Andrea Vai
2019-12-23 17:22                                             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-12-23 18:45                                               ` Andrea Vai
2019-12-23 19:53                                                 ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-12-24  1:27                                                   ` Ming Lei
2019-12-24  6:49                                                     ` Andrea Vai
2019-12-24  8:51                                                     ` Andrea Vai
2019-12-24  9:35                                                       ` Ming Lei
2019-12-25  5:17                                                     ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-12-26  2:27                                                       ` Ming Lei
2019-12-26  3:30                                                         ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2019-12-26  8:37                                                           ` Ming Lei
2020-01-07  7:51                                                             ` Andrea Vai
     [not found]                                                           ` <20200101074310.10904-1-hdanton@sina.com>
2020-01-01 13:53                                                             ` slow IO on USB media Ming Lei
     [not found]                                         ` <fc6f73fc5f57ade8890b472d63c7f0bd559de538.camel@unipv.it>
2019-12-24  1:32                                           ` AW: Slow I/O on USB media after commit f664a3cc17b7d0a2bc3b3ab96181e1029b0ec0e6 Ming Lei
2019-12-24  8:04                                             ` Andrea Vai
2019-12-24  8:47                                               ` Ming Lei

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