From: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux admin <linux@armlinux.org.uk>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] vfs: keep inodes with page cache off the inode shrinker LRU
Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2020 20:46:18 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAK8P3a2yyJLmkifpSabMwtUiAvumMPwLEzT5RpsBA=LYn=ZXUw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200309160919.GM25745@shell.armlinux.org.uk>
On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 5:09 PM Russell King - ARM Linux admin
<linux@armlinux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 09, 2020 at 03:59:45PM +0000, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > On Sun, Mar 08, 2020 at 11:58:52AM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> > > - revisit CONFIG_VMSPLIT_4G_4G for arm32 (and maybe mips32)
> > > to see if it can be done, and what the overhead is. This is probably
> > > more work than the others combined, but also the most promising
> > > as it allows the most user address space and physical ram to be used.
> >
> > A rough outline of such support (and likely to miss some corner cases):
> >
> > 1. Kernel runs with its own ASID and non-global page tables.
> >
> > 2. Trampoline code on exception entry/exit to handle the TTBR0 switching
> > between user and kernel.
> >
> > 3. uaccess routines need to be reworked to pin the user pages in memory
> > (get_user_pages()) and access them via the kernel address space.
> >
> > Point 3 is probably the ugliest and it would introduce a noticeable
> > slowdown in certain syscalls.
There are probably a number of ways to do the basic design. The idea
I had (again, probably missing more corner cases than either of you
two that actually understand the details of the mmu):
- Assuming we have LPAE, run the kernel vmlinux and modules inside
the vmalloc space, in the top 256MB or 512MB on TTBR1
- Map all the physical RAM (up to 3.75GB) into a reserved ASID
with TTBR0
- Flip TTBR0 on kernel entry/exit, and again during user access.
This is probably more work to implement than your idea, but
I would hope this has a lower overhead on most microarchitectures
as it doesn't require pinning the pages. Depending on the
microarchitecture, I'd hope the overhead would be comparable
to that of ARM64_SW_TTBR0_PAN.
> We also need to consider that it has implications for the single-kernel
> support; a kernel doing this kind of switching would likely be horrid
> for a kernel supporting v6+ with VIPT aliasing caches. Would we be
> adding a new red line between kernels supporting VIPT-aliasing caches
> (present in earlier v6 implementations) and kernels using this system?
I would initially do it for LPAE only, given that this is already an
incompatible config option. I don't think there are any v6 machines with
more than 1GB of RAM (the maximum for AST2500), and the only distro
that ships a v6+ multiplatform kernel is Raspbian, which in turn needs
a separate LPAE kernel for the large-memory machines anyway.
Only doing it for LPAE would still cover the vast majority of systems that
actually shipped with more than 2GB. There are a couple of exceptions,
i.e. early Cubox i4x4, the Calxeda Highbank developer system and the
Novena Laptop, which I would guess have a limited life expectancy
(before users stop updating kernels) no longer than the 8GB
Keystone-2.
Based on that, I would hope that the ARMv7 distros can keep shipping
the two kernel images they already ship:
- The non-LPAE kernel modified to VMSPLIT_2G_OPT, not using highmem
on anything up to 2GB, but still supporting the handful of remaining
Cortex-A9s with 4GB using highmem until they are completely obsolete.
- The LPAE kernel modified to use a newly added VMSPLIT_4G_4G,
with details to be worked out.
Most new systems tend to be based on Cortex-A7 with no more than 2GB,
so those could run either configuration well. If we find the 2GB of user
address space too limiting for the non-LPAE config, or I missed some
important pre-LPAE systems with 4GB that need to be supported for longer
than other highmem systems, that can probably be added later.
Arnd
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-03-09 19:46 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-02-11 17:55 [PATCH] vfs: keep inodes with page cache off the inode shrinker LRU Johannes Weiner
2020-02-11 18:20 ` Johannes Weiner
2020-02-11 19:05 ` Rik van Riel
2020-02-11 19:31 ` Johannes Weiner
2020-02-11 23:44 ` Andrew Morton
2020-02-12 0:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-02-12 0:47 ` Andrew Morton
2020-02-12 1:03 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-02-12 8:50 ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-02-13 9:50 ` Lucas Stach
2020-02-13 16:52 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-15 11:25 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-02-15 16:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-16 9:44 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-02-16 19:54 ` Chris Paterson
2020-02-16 20:38 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-20 14:35 ` Chris Paterson
2020-02-26 18:04 ` santosh.shilimkar
2020-02-26 21:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-26 21:11 ` santosh.shilimkar
2020-03-06 20:34 ` Nishanth Menon
2020-03-07 1:08 ` santosh.shilimkar
2020-03-08 10:58 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-03-08 14:19 ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-03-09 13:33 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-03-09 14:04 ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-03-09 15:04 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-03-10 9:16 ` Michal Hocko
2020-03-09 15:59 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-03-09 16:09 ` Russell King - ARM Linux admin
2020-03-09 16:57 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-03-09 19:46 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2020-03-11 14:29 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-03-11 16:59 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-03-11 17:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2020-03-11 22:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
2020-02-12 3:58 ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-02-12 8:09 ` Michal Hocko
2020-02-17 13:31 ` Pavel Machek
2020-02-12 16:35 ` Johannes Weiner
2020-02-12 18:26 ` Andrew Morton
2020-02-12 18:52 ` Johannes Weiner
2020-02-12 12:25 ` Yafang Shao
2020-02-12 16:42 ` Johannes Weiner
2020-02-13 1:47 ` Yafang Shao
2020-02-13 13:46 ` Johannes Weiner
2020-02-14 2:02 ` Yafang Shao
2020-02-13 18:34 ` [PATCH v2] " Johannes Weiner
2020-02-14 16:53 ` [PATCH] " kbuild test robot
2020-02-14 21:30 ` kbuild test robot
2020-02-14 21:30 ` [PATCH] vfs: fix boolreturn.cocci warnings kbuild test robot
2020-05-12 21:29 ` [PATCH] vfs: keep inodes with page cache off the inode shrinker LRU Johannes Weiner
2020-05-13 1:32 ` Yafang Shao
2020-05-13 13:00 ` Johannes Weiner
2020-05-13 21:15 ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-14 11:27 ` Johannes Weiner
2020-05-14 2:24 ` Andrew Morton
2020-05-14 10:37 ` Johannes Weiner
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