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From: Kirill Tkhai <ktkhai@virtuozzo.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2 02/10] mm: Make shrink_slab() lockless
Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2018 12:21:58 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <cf7ba095-8be9-ead8-5422-59fa1f3bb07d@virtuozzo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180809071418.GA24884@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On 09.08.2018 10:14, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Wed 08-08-18 16:20:54, Kirill Tkhai wrote:
>> [Added two more places needed srcu_dereference(). All ->shrinker_map
>>  dereferences must be under SRCU, and this v2 adds missed in previous]
>>
>> The patch makes shrinker list and shrinker_idr SRCU-safe
>> for readers. This requires synchronize_srcu() on finalize
>> stage unregistering stage, which waits till all parallel
>> shrink_slab() are finished
>>
>> Note, that patch removes rwsem_is_contended() checks from
>> the code, and this does not result in delays during
>> registration, since there is no waiting at all. Unregistration
>> case may be optimized by splitting unregister_shrinker()
>> in tho stages, and this is made in next patches.
>>     
>> Also, keep in mind, that in case of SRCU is not allowed
>> to make unconditional (which is done in previous patch),
>> it is possible to use percpu_rw_semaphore instead of it.
>> percpu_down_read() will be used in shrink_slab_memcg()
>> and in shrink_slab(), and consecutive calls
>>
>>         percpu_down_write(percpu_rwsem);
>>         percpu_up_write(percpu_rwsem);
>>
>> will be used instead of synchronize_srcu().
> 
> An obvious question. Why didn't you go that way? What are pros/cons of
> both approaches?

1)After percpu_rw_semaphore is introduced, shrink_slab() will be not able
  to do successful percpu_down_read_trylock() for longer time in comparison
  to current behavior:

  [cpu0]                                                               [cpu1]
  {un,}register_shrinker();                                            shrink_slab()
    percpu_down_write();                                                 percpu_down_read_trylock() -> fail
      synchronize_rcu(); -> in some periods very slow on big SMP       ...
                                                                       shrink_slab()
                                                                         percpu_down_read_trylock() -> fail

  Also, register_shrinker() and unregister_shrinker() will become slower for the same reason.
  Unlike unregister_shrinker(); register_shrinker() can't be made asynchronous/delayed, so 
  simple mount() performance will be worse.

  It's possible, these both can be solved by using both percpu_rw_semaphore and rw_semaphore.
  shrink_slab() may fall back to rw_semaphore in case of percpu_rw_semaphore can't be blocked:

  shrink_slab()
  {
        bool percpu = true;

        if (!percpu_down_read_try_lock()) {
               if(!down_read_trylock())
                    return 0;
               percpu = false;
  	}

        shrinker = idr_find();
        ...

        if (percpu)
             percpu_up_read();
        else
             up_read();
   }

   register_shrinker()
   {
         down_write();
         idr_alloc();
         up_write();
   }

   unregister_shrinker()
   {
         percpu_down_write();
         down_write();
         idr_remove();
         up_write();
         percpu_up_write();
   }

   But a)On big machine this may turn in always down_read_trylock() like we have now;
       b)I'm not sure, unlocked idr_find() is safe in parallel with idr_alloc(), maybe,
         there is needed something else around it (I just haven't investigated this).

   All the above are cons. Pros are not enabling SRCU.

2)SRCU. Pros are there are no the above problems; we will have completely unlocked and
  scalable shrink_slab(). We will also have a possibility to avoid unregistering delays,
  like I did for superblock shrinker. There will be full scalability.
  Cons is enabling SRCU.

Kirill

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-09  9:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-07 15:37 [PATCH RFC 00/10] Introduce lockless shrink_slab() Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-07 15:37 ` [PATCH RFC 01/10] rcu: Make CONFIG_SRCU unconditionally enabled Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-08  0:55   ` Steven Rostedt
2018-08-08  1:05   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-08-08  9:46     ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-08  1:08   ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-08-08  9:59     ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-08 11:04       ` Stephen Rothwell
2018-08-08  7:20   ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-08 10:17     ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-08 10:27       ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-08 21:31         ` Dave Chinner
2018-08-09  0:07           ` Matthew Wilcox
2018-08-09  7:45             ` Greg KH
2018-08-09 10:22           ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-08 16:13       ` Josh Triplett
2018-08-08 16:23         ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-08 16:30           ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-08 18:01             ` Josh Triplett
2018-08-08 23:02               ` Shakeel Butt
2018-08-08 23:09                 ` Josh Triplett
2018-08-07 15:37 ` [PATCH RFC 02/10] mm: Make shrink_slab() lockless Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-08 11:51   ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-08 13:20     ` [PATCH RFC v2 " Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-09  7:14       ` Michal Hocko
2018-08-09  9:21         ` Kirill Tkhai [this message]
2018-08-09 10:37           ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-08-09 10:58             ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-09 11:23         ` Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-07 15:38 ` [PATCH RFC 03/10] mm: Convert shrinker_rwsem to mutex Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-07 15:38 ` [PATCH RFC 04/10] mm: Split unregister_shrinker() Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-07 15:38 ` [PATCH RFC 05/10] fs: Move list_lru_destroy() to destroy_super_work() Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-07 15:38 ` [PATCH RFC 06/10] fs: Shrink only (SB_ACTIVE|SB_BORN) superblocks in super_cache_scan() Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-07 15:38 ` [PATCH RFC 07/10] fs: Introduce struct super_operations::destroy_super() callback Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-07 15:39 ` [PATCH RFC 08/10] xfs: Introduce xfs_fs_destroy_super() Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-07 15:39 ` [PATCH RFC 09/10] shmem: Implement shmem_destroy_super() Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-07 15:39 ` [PATCH RFC 10/10] fs: Use unregister_shrinker_delayed_{initiate, finalize} for super_block shrinker Kirill Tkhai
2018-08-08  1:12 ` [PATCH RFC 00/10] Introduce lockless shrink_slab() Stephen Rothwell
2018-08-08  5:39   ` Shakeel Butt
2018-08-08 10:18     ` Kirill Tkhai

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