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From: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
To: Jarkko Sakkinen <jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: Hao Wu <hao.wu@rubrik.com>,
	peterhuewe@gmx.de, jgg@ziepe.ca, arnd@arndb.de,
	gregkh@linuxfoundation.org, Hamza Attak <hamza@hpe.com>,
	nayna@linux.vnet.ibm.com, why2jjj.linux@gmail.com,
	zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org,
	Paul Menzel <pmenzel@molgen.mpg.de>,
	Ken Goldman <kgold@linux.ibm.com>,
	Seungyeop Han <seungyeop.han@rubrik.com>,
	Shrihari Kalkar <shrihari.kalkar@rubrik.com>,
	Anish Jhaveri <anish.jhaveri@rubrik.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Fix Atmel TPM crash caused by too frequent queries
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 15:31:20 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6e7b54c268d25a86f8f969bcc01729eaadef6530.camel@HansenPartnership.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200930210956.GC65339@linux.intel.com>

On Thu, 2020-10-01 at 00:09 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 01:48:15PM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> > On Wed, 2020-09-30 at 18:37 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 07:54:58AM -0700, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2020-09-30 at 05:16 +0300, Jarkko Sakkinen wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 03:11:39PM -0700, James Bottomley
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > On Sun, 2020-09-27 at 22:59 -0700, Hao Wu wrote:
> > > > > > [...]
> > > > > > > > However, there is another possibility: it's something
> > > > > > > > to do
> > > > > > > > with the byte read; I notice you don't require the same
> > > > > > > > slowdown for the burst count read, which actually reads
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > status register and burst count as a read32.  If that
> > > > > > > > really is the case, for the atmel would substituting a
> > > > > > > > read32 and just throwing the upper bytes away in
> > > > > > > > tpm_tis_status() allow us to keep the current
> > > > > > > > timings?  I
> > > > > > > > can actually try doing this and see if it fixes my
> > > > > > > > nuvoton.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > If would be helpful if you can find the solution without
> > > > > > > reducing performance. I think it is a separate problem to
> > > > > > > address though. Maybe not worth to mix them in the same
> > > > > > > fix.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Well, if it works, no other fix is needed.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This is what I'm currently trying out on my nuvoton with
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > timings reverted to being those in the vanilla kernel.  So
> > > > > > far
> > > > > > it hasn't crashed, but I haven't run it for long enough to
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > sure yet.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > James
> > > > > 
> > > > > OK, so the bus does not like one byte reads but prefers full
> > > > > (32-
> > > > > bit) word reads? I.e. what's the context?
> > > > 
> > > > It's not supported by anything in the spec just empirical
> > > > observation.  However, the spec says the status register is 24
> > > > bits: the upper 16 being the burst count.  When we read the
> > > > whole
> > > > status register, including the burst count, we do a read32. I
> > > > observed that the elongated timing was only added for the read8
> > > > code not the read32 which supports the theory that the former
> > > > causes the Atmel to crash but the latter doesn't.  Of course
> > > > it's
> > > > always possible that probabilistically the Atmel is going to
> > > > crash
> > > > on the burst count read, but that's exercised far less than the
> > > > status only read.
> > > 
> > > This paragraph is good enough explanation for me. Can you include
> > > it
> > > to the final commit as soon as we hear how your fix works for
> > > Hao?
> > 
> > Sure.  I'm afraid I have to report that it didn't work for me.  My
> > Nuvoton is definitely annoyed by the frequency of the prodding
> > rather
> > than the register width.
> 
> Sorry, this might have been stated at some point but what type of bus
> is it connected with?

It's hard to tell: this is my Dell Laptop, but I'd have to bet LPC.

> Does it help in any way to tune the frequency?

Of the bus?  We simply don't have access: a TIS TPM is projected at a
specific memory mapped address and all the conversion to the LPC back
end is done by memory read/write operations.  The TPM itself has a
clock but doesn't give the TIS interface software control.

> I also wonder if we could adjust the frequency dynamically. I.e.
> start with optimistic value and lower it until finding the sweet
> spot.

The problem is the way this crashes: the TPM seems to be unrecoverable.
If it were recoverable without a hard reset of the entire machine, we
could certainly play around with it.  I can try alternative mechanisms
to see if anything's viable, but to all intents and purposes, it looks
like my TPM simply stops responding to the TIS interface.

James



  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-30 22:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-26 22:31 [PATCH] Fix Atmel TPM crash caused by too frequent queries Hao Wu
2020-09-26 22:57 ` James Bottomley
2020-09-26 23:10   ` Hao Wu
2020-09-27 18:25     ` James Bottomley
2020-09-28  0:11       ` Hao Wu
2020-09-28  0:15         ` Hao Wu
2020-09-28  1:22         ` James Bottomley
2020-09-28  5:59           ` Hao Wu
2020-09-28 22:11             ` James Bottomley
2020-09-29  4:46               ` Hao Wu
2020-09-30  2:16               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-30 14:54                 ` James Bottomley
2020-09-30 15:37                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-30 20:48                     ` James Bottomley
2020-09-30 21:09                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-30 22:31                         ` James Bottomley [this message]
2020-10-01  1:50                           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-10-01  4:53                             ` James Bottomley
2020-10-01 18:15                               ` Nayna
2020-10-01 18:32                                 ` James Bottomley
2020-10-01 23:04                                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-10-17  6:11                                     ` Hao Wu
2020-10-18  5:09                                       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-10-18  5:20                                         ` Hao Wu
2020-11-14  4:39                                           ` Hao Wu
2020-11-18 21:11                                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-11-18 23:23                                               ` Hao Wu
2021-05-09  6:18                                               ` Hao Wu
2021-05-09  6:31                                                 ` Hao Wu
2021-05-10  2:17                                                   ` Mimi Zohar
2021-05-10  3:15                                                     ` Hao Wu
2021-05-10 17:28                                                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-28  1:08       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-28  6:03         ` Hao Wu
2020-09-28 14:16           ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-28 17:49             ` Hao Wu
2020-09-28 19:47               ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-28 20:27                 ` Hao Wu
2020-09-30  2:11                   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-30  3:41                     ` Hao Wu
     [not found]                       ` <EA1EE8F8-F054-4E1B-B830-231398D33CB8@rubrik.com>
2020-10-01 14:16                         ` Mimi Zohar
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-06-20 23:18 Hao Wu
2021-06-23 13:35 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-06-24  5:49   ` Hao Wu
2021-06-29 20:06     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2021-06-30  4:27       ` Hao Wu
2021-06-24  5:33 ` Hao Wu
2021-06-29 20:07   ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2020-09-14  6:13 Hao Wu
2020-09-14  6:17 ` Greg KH
2020-09-15  2:52 ` Hao Wu

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