From: Tomasz Figa <tfiga@chromium.org>
To: Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com>
Cc: "Stéphane Marchesin" <marcheu@chromium.org>,
"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
geoff@hostfission.com, virtio-dev@lists.oasis-open.org,
"Alex Lau" <alexlau@chromium.org>,
"Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
"Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@chromium.org>,
qemu-devel <qemu-devel@nongnu.org>,
"Keiichi Watanabe" <keiichiw@chromium.org>,
"David Stevens" <stevensd@chromium.org>,
"Hans Verkuil" <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>,
"Dylan Reid" <dgreid@chromium.org>,
"Gurchetan Singh" <gurchetansingh@chromium.org>,
"Dmitry Morozov" <dmitry.morozov@opensynergy.com>,
"Pawel Osciak" <posciak@chromium.org>,
"Linux Media Mailing List" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: guest / host buffer sharing ...
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2019 20:16:52 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAFQd5C6mVEUQUP8-=GevM+rV1ksFg68kyWAjCj+cjB-iQiXaA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJSP0QUF1YA0c7b2ENeDLo1T9OsfeTJbonOYug5Fc56--YqZJQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 7:12 PM Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 2:41 AM Stéphane Marchesin <marcheu@chromium.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 11:35 PM Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 8:22 AM Gerd Hoffmann <kraxel@redhat.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Adding a list of common properties to the spec certainly makes sense,
> > > > > > so everybody uses the same names. Adding struct-ed properties for
> > > > > > common use cases might be useful too.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why not define VIRTIO devices for wayland and friends?
> > > >
> > > > There is an out-of-tree implementation of that, so yes, that surely is
> > > > an option.
> > > >
> > > > Wayland needs (a) shared buffers, mostly for gfx data, and (b) a stream
> > > > pipe as control channel. Pretty much the same for X11, except that
> > > > shared buffers are optional because the X protocol can also squeeze all
> > > > display updates through the stream pipe.
> > > >
> > > > So, if you want allow guests talk to the host display server you can run
> > > > the stream pipe over vsock. But there is nothing for the shared
> > > > buffers ...
> > > >
> > > > We could replicate vsock functionality elsewhere. I think that happened
> > > > in the out-of-tree virtio-wayland implementation. There also was some
> > > > discussion about adding streams to virtio-gpu, slightly pimped up so you
> > > > can easily pass around virtio-gpu resource references for buffer
> > > > sharing. But given that getting vsock right isn't exactly trivial
> > > > (consider all the fairness issues when multiplexing multiple streams
> > > > over a virtqueue for example) I don't think this is a good plan.
> > >
> > > I also think vsock isn't the right fit.
> > >
> >
> > +1 we are using vsock right now and we have a few pains because of it.
> >
> > I think the high-level problem is that because it is a side channel,
> > we don't see everything that happens to the buffer in one place
> > (rendering + display) and we can't do things like reallocate the
> > format accordingly if needed, or we can't do flushing etc. on that
> > buffer where needed.
>
> Do you think a VIRTIO device designed for your use case is an
> appropriate solution?
>
> I have been arguing that these use cases should be addressed with
> dedicated VIRTIO devices, but I don't understand the use cases of
> everyone on the CC list so maybe I'm missing something :). If there
> are reasons why having a VIRTIO device for your use case does not make
> sense then it would be good to discuss them. Blockers like "VIRTIO is
> too heavyweight/complex for us because ...", "Our application can't
> make use of VIRTIO devices because ...", etc would be important to
> hear.
Do you have any idea on how to model Wayland as a VIRTIO device?
Stephane mentioned that we use vsock, but in fact we have our own
VIRTIO device, except that it's semantically almost the same as vsock,
with a difference being the ability to pass buffers and pipes across
the VM boundary.
Best regards,
Tomasz
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-11-09 11:22 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-11-05 10:54 guest / host buffer sharing Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-05 11:35 ` Geoffrey McRae
2019-11-06 6:24 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-06 8:36 ` David Stevens
2019-11-06 12:41 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-06 22:28 ` Geoffrey McRae
2019-11-07 6:48 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-20 12:13 ` Tomasz Figa
2019-11-20 21:41 ` Geoffrey McRae
2019-11-21 5:51 ` Tomasz Figa
2019-12-04 22:22 ` Dylan Reid
2019-12-11 5:08 ` David Stevens
2019-12-11 9:26 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-11 16:05 ` [virtio-dev] " Enrico Granata
2019-12-12 6:40 ` David Stevens
2019-12-12 9:41 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-12 12:26 ` David Stevens
2019-12-12 13:30 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-13 3:21 ` David Stevens
2019-12-16 13:47 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-12-17 12:59 ` David Stevens
2019-11-06 8:43 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-06 9:51 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-06 10:10 ` [virtio-dev] " Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-11-07 11:11 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-07 11:16 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2019-11-08 6:45 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-06 11:46 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-06 12:50 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-07 12:10 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-08 7:22 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-08 7:35 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-09 1:41 ` Stéphane Marchesin
2019-11-09 10:12 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-09 11:16 ` Tomasz Figa [this message]
2019-11-09 12:08 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-09 15:12 ` Tomasz Figa
2019-11-18 10:20 ` Stefan Hajnoczi
2019-11-20 10:11 ` Tomasz Figa
[not found] ` <CAEkmjvU8or7YT7CCBe7aUx-XQ3yJpUrY4CfBOnqk7pUH9d9RGQ@mail.gmail.com>
2019-11-20 11:58 ` Tomasz Figa
2019-11-20 12:11 ` Tomasz Figa
2019-11-11 3:04 ` David Stevens
2019-11-11 15:36 ` [virtio-dev] " Liam Girdwood
2019-11-12 0:54 ` Gurchetan Singh
2019-11-12 13:56 ` Liam Girdwood
2019-11-12 22:55 ` Gurchetan Singh
2019-11-19 15:31 ` Liam Girdwood
2019-11-20 0:42 ` Gurchetan Singh
2019-11-20 9:53 ` Gerd Hoffmann
2019-11-25 16:46 ` Liam Girdwood
2019-11-27 7:58 ` Gerd Hoffmann
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