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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>, Linux MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: Memory compaction and mlockall()
Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:54:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190812155411.hpfweuao7uudw5my@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <77c839c3-7d7d-9b98-5c3d-ad5fd65274b1@suse.cz>

On 2019-08-12 16:59:00 [+0200], Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> On 7/11/19 11:43 AM, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> > On 2019-07-10 11:21:19 [-0700], Yang Shi wrote:
> >>
> >> compaction should not isolate unevictable pages unless you have
> >> /proc/sys/vm/compact_unevictable_allowed set.
> > 
> > Thank you. This is enabled by default. The documentation for this says
> > | … compaction is allowed to examine the unevictable lru (mlocked pages) for
> > | pages to compact.…
> > 
> > so it is actually clear once you know where to look.
> > If I read this correct, the default behavior was to ignore mlock()ed
> > pages for compaction then commit
> >   5bbe3547aa3ba ("mm: allow compaction of unevictable pages")
> > 
> > came along in v4.1-rc1 and changed that behaviour. Is it too late to
> > flip it back?
> 
> I would say that enabled is a better default wrt benefits for the
> majority of systems. This was assuming that mlock() is primarily used to
> prevent sensitive data (crypto keys) from hitting swap, not to give
> latency guarantees. You could perhaps argue that enabling PREEMPT_RT
> might change the default, but it's somewhat subtle.

A different behaviour depending on PREEMPT_RT is bad. 
From the mlock(2) page:

|NOTES
|
|Memory locking has two main applications: real-time algorithms and
|high-security data processing. Real-time applications require deterministic
|timing, and, like scheduling, paging is one major cause of unexpected program
|execution delays. …
|
|Real-time processes that are using mlockall() to prevent delays on page faults
|should reserve enough locked stack pages before entering the time-critical
|section, so that no page fault can be caused by function calls. …

So if we are not going to revert that, then I would need to update man
page to reflect that we now have an additional knob to consider in order
to disable page faults on mlock()ed pages.

Sebastian


  reply	other threads:[~2019-08-12 15:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-10 14:41 Memory compaction and mlockall() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-07-10 16:20 ` Dave Hansen
2019-07-10 16:45   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-07-10 17:02     ` Dave Hansen
2019-07-10 18:21 ` Yang Shi
2019-07-11  9:43   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-07-11 16:23     ` Yang Shi
2019-08-12 14:59     ` Vlastimil Babka
2019-08-12 15:54       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2019-08-13  8:23         ` Vlastimil Babka

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