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From: Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>
To: "Thomas Hellström (VMware)" <thomas_os@shipmail.org>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, pv-drivers@vmware.com,
	linux-graphics-maintainer@vmware.com,
	"Thomas Hellstrom" <thellstrom@vmware.com>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	"Ralph Campbell" <rcampbell@nvidia.com>,
	"Jérôme Glisse" <jglisse@redhat.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] drm/ttm: Fix vm page protection handling
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 16:26:44 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191204152644.GL25242@dhcp22.suse.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b7b3ba5a-f625-36bc-d9cf-d537ec60e592@shipmail.org>

On Wed 04-12-19 16:19:27, Thomas Hellström (VMware) wrote:
> On 12/4/19 3:42 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > On Wed 04-12-19 15:36:58, Thomas Hellström (VMware) wrote:
> > > On 12/4/19 3:35 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > On Wed 04-12-19 15:16:09, Thomas Hellström (VMware) wrote:
> > > > > On 12/4/19 2:52 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> > > > > > On Tue 03-12-19 11:48:53, Thomas Hellström (VMware) wrote:
> > > > > > > From: Thomas Hellstrom <thellstrom@vmware.com>
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > TTM graphics buffer objects may, transparently to user-space,  move
> > > > > > > between IO and system memory. When that happens, all PTEs pointing to the
> > > > > > > old location are zapped before the move and then faulted in again if
> > > > > > > needed. When that happens, the page protection caching mode- and
> > > > > > > encryption bits may change and be different from those of
> > > > > > > struct vm_area_struct::vm_page_prot.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > We were using an ugly hack to set the page protection correctly.
> > > > > > > Fix that and instead use vmf_insert_mixed_prot() and / or
> > > > > > > vmf_insert_pfn_prot().
> > > > > > > Also get the default page protection from
> > > > > > > struct vm_area_struct::vm_page_prot rather than using vm_get_page_prot().
> > > > > > > This way we catch modifications done by the vm system for drivers that
> > > > > > > want write-notification.
> > > > > > So essentially this should have any new side effect on functionality it
> > > > > > is just making a hacky/ugly code less so?
> > > > > Functionality is unchanged. The use of a on-stack vma copy was severely
> > > > > frowned upon in an earlier thread, which also points to another similar
> > > > > example using vmf_insert_pfn_prot().
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20190905103541.4161-2-thomas_os@shipmail.org/
> > > > > 
> > > > > > In other words what are the
> > > > > > consequences of having page protection inconsistent from vma's?
> > > > > During the years, it looks like the caching- and encryption flags of
> > > > > vma::vm_page_prot have been largely removed from usage. From what I can
> > > > > tell, there are no more places left that can affect TTM. We discussed
> > > > > __split_huge_pmd_locked() towards the end of that thread, but that doesn't
> > > > > affect TTM even with huge page-table entries.
> > > > Please state all those details/assumptions you are operating on in the
> > > > changelog.
> > > Thanks. I'll update the patchset and add that.
> > And thinking about that this also begs for a comment in the code to
> > explain that some (which?) mappings might have a mismatch and the
> > generic code have to be careful. Because as things stand now this seems
> > to be really subtle and happen to work _now_ and might break in the future.
> > Or what does prevent a generic code to stumble over this discrepancy?
> 
> Yes we had that discussion in the thread I pointed to. I initially suggested
> and argued for updating the vma::vm_page_prot using a WRITE_ONCE() (we only
> have the mmap_sem in read mode), there seems to be other places in generic
> code that does the same.
> 
> But I was convinced by Andy that this was the right way and also was used
> elsewhere.
> 
> (See also https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/latest/source/arch/x86/entry/vdso/vma.c#L116)
> 
> I guess to have this properly formulated, what's required is that generic
> code doesn't build page-table entries using vma::vm_page_prot for VM_PFNMAP
> and VM_MIXEDMAP outside of driver control.

Let me repeat that this belongs to a code somewhere everybody can see it
rather than a "random" discussion at mailing list.

Thanks!
-- 
Michal Hocko
SUSE Labs


  reply	other threads:[~2019-12-04 15:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-03 10:48 [PATCH v2 0/2] mm, drm/ttm: Fix pte insertion with customized protection Thomas Hellström (VMware)
2019-12-03 10:48 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] mm: Add and export vmf_insert_mixed_prot() Thomas Hellström (VMware)
2019-12-04 13:48   ` Michal Hocko
2019-12-03 10:48 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] drm/ttm: Fix vm page protection handling Thomas Hellström (VMware)
2019-12-04 13:52   ` Michal Hocko
2019-12-04 14:16     ` Thomas Hellström (VMware)
2019-12-04 14:35       ` Michal Hocko
2019-12-04 14:36         ` Thomas Hellström (VMware)
2019-12-04 14:42           ` Michal Hocko
2019-12-04 15:19             ` Thomas Hellström (VMware)
2019-12-04 15:26               ` Michal Hocko [this message]
2019-12-04 15:29                 ` Thomas Hellström (VMware)

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