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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
	Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] mm: silence soft lockups from unlock_page
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 15:57:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200726135705.GA14017@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wgpdbxaWWxOeVeA-eTex6QcSZLK9S2=eSv6KbQdPapfug@mail.gmail.com>

Linus,

I was greatly confused and tried to confuse you.

Somehow I misunderstood your last version and didn't bother to read it
again until now.

Sorry for noise and thanks for your explanations.

Oleg.


On 07/25, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> On Sat, Jul 25, 2020 at 12:28 PM Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> wrote:
> >
> > What I tried to say. AFAICS before that commit we had (almost) the same
> > behaviour you propose now: unlock_page/etc wakes all the non-exclusive
> > waiters up.
> >
> > No?
>
> Yes, but no.
>
> We'd wake them _up_ fairly aggressively, but then they'd be caught on
> the bit being set again by the exclusive locker (that we also woke
> up).
>
> So they'd get woken up, and then go to sleep again.
>
> So the new behavior wakes things up more aggressively (but a different
> way), but not by letting them go out of order and early, but simply by
> not going back to sleep again.
>
> So the "wake up more" is very different - now it's about not going to
> sleep again, rather than by ordering the wakeup queue.
>
> We _could_ order the wakeup queue too, and put all non-exclusive
> weiters at the head again. And make it *really* aggressive.
>
> But since one of ourissues has been "latency of walking the wait
> queue", I'm not sure we want that. interspesing any blocking waiters -
> and stopping the waitqueue walking as a result - might be better under
> load.
>
> Wild handwaving. We could try it, but IO think that really would be a
> separate "try this out" patch.
>
> Right now, I think my patch will likely make for _better_ latencies
> for everything.
>
> Lower latency of non-exclusive waiters (because not going back to
> sleep), but also lower latency of walking the wait queue (because
> fewer entries, hopefully, and also less contention due to the "not
> going back to sleep" noise)
>
>            Linus
>



  reply	other threads:[~2020-07-26 13:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-07-21  6:32 [RFC PATCH] mm: silence soft lockups from unlock_page Michal Hocko
     [not found] ` <FCC3EB2D-9F11-4E9E-88F4-40B2926B35CC@lca.pw>
2020-07-21 11:25   ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]     ` <664A07B6-DBCD-4520-84F1-241A4E7A339F@lca.pw>
2020-07-21 12:17       ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]         ` <20200721132343.GA4261@lca.pw>
2020-07-21 13:38           ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-21 14:17 ` Chris Down
2020-07-21 15:00   ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-21 15:33 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-21 15:49   ` Michal Hocko
2020-07-22 18:29   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-22 21:29     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-22 22:10       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-22 23:42         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-23  0:23           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-23 12:47           ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-23 17:32             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-23 18:01               ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-23 18:22                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-23 19:03                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-24 14:45                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-23 20:03               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-23 23:11                 ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-23 23:43                   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-24  0:07                     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-24  0:46                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-24  3:45                         ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-24 15:24                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-24 17:32                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-24 23:25                         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-25  2:08                           ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-25  2:46                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-25 10:14                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-25 18:48                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-25 19:27                               ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-25 19:51                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-26 13:57                                   ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2020-07-25 21:19                               ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-26  4:22                                 ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-26 20:30                                   ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-26 20:41                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-26 22:09                                       ` Hugh Dickins
2020-07-27 19:35                                     ` Greg KH
2020-08-06  5:46                                       ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-18 13:50                                         ` Greg KH
2020-08-06  5:21                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-06 17:07                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-06 18:00                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-06 18:32                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-07 18:41                                             ` Hugh Dickins
2020-08-07 19:07                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2020-08-07 19:35                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2020-08-03 13:14                           ` Michal Hocko
2020-08-03 17:56                             ` Linus Torvalds
2020-07-25  9:39                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-07-23  8:03     ` Michal Hocko

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