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From: SeongJae Park <sjpark@amazon.com>
To: Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com>
Cc: SeongJae Park <sjpark@amazon.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v22 07/18] mm/page_idle: Avoid interferences from concurrent users
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 14:37:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201126133715.4468-1-sjpark@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALvZod7xhyp6yY_v6nyWp-yqHQUCtCBcxFXz=fSKOjS62HrG-A@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 25 Nov 2020 07:30:27 -0800 Shakeel Butt <shakeelb@google.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 20, 2020 at 2:06 AM SeongJae Park <sjpark@amazon.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: SeongJae Park <sjpark@amazon.de>
> >
> > Concurrent Idle Page Tracking users can interfere each other because the
> > interface doesn't provide a central rule for synchronization between the
> > users.  Users could implement their own synchronization rule, but even
> > in that case, applications developed by different users would not know
> > how to synchronize with others.  To help this situation, this commit
> > introduces a centralized synchronization infrastructure of Idle Page
> > Tracking.
> >
> > In detail, this commit introduces a mutex lock for Idle Page Tracking,
> > called 'page_idle_lock'.  It is exposed to user space via a new bool
> > sysfs file, '/sys/kernel/mm/page_idle/lock'.  By writing to and reading
> > from the file, users can hold/release and read status of the mutex.
> > Writes to the Idle Page Tracking 'bitmap' file fails if the lock is not
> > held, while reads of the file can be done regardless of the lock status.
> >
> > Note that users could still interfere each other if they abuse this
> > locking rule.  Nevertheless, this change will let them notice the rule.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: SeongJae Park <sjpark@amazon.de>
> 
> I don't think this is allowed. I mean returning to user space with
> held mutex and other processes can unlock it. I don't think mutex is
> what you need. Or more importantly is this really an issue?
> 

In a separate call, I and Shakeel agreed on that this is trying to fix an issue
that aren't proved real.  So I will drop this patch in next version of the
patchset.  We can restore this patch or find better fix later if the problem
comes out in real.


Thanks,
SeongJae Park


  reply	other threads:[~2020-11-26 13:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-10-20  8:59 [PATCH v22 00/18] Introduce Data Access MONitor (DAMON) SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 01/18] mm: " SeongJae Park
2020-11-25 15:29   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-11-26 11:51     ` SeongJae Park
2020-12-08  7:41       ` SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 02/18] mm/damon: Implement region based sampling SeongJae Park
2020-11-25 15:29   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-11-26 12:09     ` SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 03/18] mm/damon: Adaptively adjust regions SeongJae Park
2020-11-25 15:29   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-11-26 12:12     ` SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 04/18] mm/damon: Track dynamic monitoring target regions update SeongJae Park
2020-11-25 15:29   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-11-26 12:18     ` SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 05/18] mm/idle_page_tracking: Make PG_(idle|young) reusable SeongJae Park
2020-11-25 15:30   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-11-26 12:31     ` SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 06/18] mm/damon: Implement primitives for the virtual memory address spaces SeongJae Park
2020-11-25 15:30   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-11-26 13:34     ` SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 07/18] mm/page_idle: Avoid interferences from concurrent users SeongJae Park
2020-11-25 15:30   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-11-26 13:37     ` SeongJae Park [this message]
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 08/18] mm/damon/primitives: Make coexistable with Idle Page Tracking SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 09/18] mm/damon: Add a tracepoint SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 10/18] mm/damon: Implement a debugfs-based user space interface SeongJae Park
2020-11-25 15:30   ` Shakeel Butt
2020-11-26 13:45     ` SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 11/18] mm/damon/dbgfs: Implement recording feature SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 12/18] mm/damon/dbgfs: Export kdamond pid to the user space SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 13/18] mm/damon/dbgfs: Support multiple contexts SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 14/18] tools: Introduce a minimal user-space tool for DAMON SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 15/18] Documentation: Add documents " SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 16/18] mm/damon: Add kunit tests SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 17/18] mm/damon: Add user space selftests SeongJae Park
2020-10-20  8:59 ` [PATCH v22 18/18] MAINTAINERS: Update for DAMON SeongJae Park
2020-11-11 16:41 ` [PATCH v22 00/18] Introduce Data Access MONitor (DAMON) SeongJae Park
2020-11-17  8:05   ` SeongJae Park
2020-11-17 14:30     ` SeongJae Park

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