From: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v16 07/11] secretmem: use PMD-size pages to amortize direct map fragmentation
Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 15:12:21 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <211f0214-1868-a5be-9428-7acfc3b73993@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YBlUXdwV93xMIff6@dhcp22.suse.cz>
On 02.02.21 14:32, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 02-02-21 14:14:09, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> [...]
>> As already expressed, I dislike allowing user space to consume an unlimited
>> number unmovable/unmigratable allocations. We already have that in some
>> cases with huge pages (when the arch does not support migration) - but there
>> we can at least manage the consumption using the whole max/reserved/free/...
>> infrastructure. In addition, adding arch support for migration shouldn't be
>> too complicated.
>
> Well, mlock is not too different here as well. Hugepages are arguably an
> easier model because it requires an explicit pre-configuration by an
> admin. Mlock doesn't have anything like that. Please also note that
> while mlock pages are migrateable by default, this is not the case in
> general because they can be configured to disalow migration to prevent
> from minor page faults as some workloads require that (e.g. RT).
Yeah, however that is a very special case. In most cases mlock() simply
prevents swapping, you still have movable pages you can place anywhere
you like (including on ZONE_MOVABLE).
> Another example is ramdisk or even tmpfs (with swap storage depleted or
> not configured). Both are PITA from the OOM POV but they are manageable
> if people are careful.
Right, but again, special cases - e.g., tmpfs explicitly has to be resized.
> If secretmem behaves along those existing models
> then we know what to expect at least.
I think secretmem behaves much more like longterm GUP right now
("unmigratable", "lifetime controlled by user space", "cannot go on
CMA/ZONE_MOVABLE"). I'd either want to reasonably well control/limit it
or make it behave more like mlocked pages.
--
Thanks,
David / dhildenb
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-02-02 14:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-01-21 12:27 [PATCH v16 00/11] mm: introduce memfd_secret system call to create "secret" memory areas Mike Rapoport
2021-01-21 12:27 ` [PATCH v16 01/11] mm: add definition of PMD_PAGE_ORDER Mike Rapoport
2021-01-21 12:27 ` [PATCH v16 02/11] mmap: make mlock_future_check() global Mike Rapoport
2021-01-21 12:27 ` [PATCH v16 03/11] riscv/Kconfig: make direct map manipulation options depend on MMU Mike Rapoport
2021-01-21 12:27 ` [PATCH v16 04/11] set_memory: allow set_direct_map_*_noflush() for multiple pages Mike Rapoport
2021-01-21 12:27 ` [PATCH v16 05/11] set_memory: allow querying whether set_direct_map_*() is actually enabled Mike Rapoport
2021-01-21 12:27 ` [PATCH v16 06/11] mm: introduce memfd_secret system call to create "secret" memory areas Mike Rapoport
2021-01-25 17:01 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-25 21:36 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-01-26 7:16 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-26 8:33 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-01-26 9:00 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-26 9:20 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-01-26 9:49 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-26 9:53 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-01-26 10:19 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-26 9:20 ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-03 12:15 ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-04 11:34 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-01-21 12:27 ` [PATCH v16 07/11] secretmem: use PMD-size pages to amortize direct map fragmentation Mike Rapoport
2021-01-26 11:46 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-26 11:56 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-01-26 12:08 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-28 9:22 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-01-28 13:01 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-28 13:28 ` Christoph Lameter
2021-01-28 13:49 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-28 15:56 ` Christoph Lameter
2021-01-28 16:23 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-28 15:28 ` James Bottomley
2021-01-29 7:03 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-01-28 21:05 ` James Bottomley
2021-01-29 7:53 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-29 8:23 ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-01 16:56 ` James Bottomley
2021-02-02 9:35 ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-02 12:48 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-02-02 13:14 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-02 13:32 ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-02 14:12 ` David Hildenbrand [this message]
2021-02-02 14:22 ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-02 14:26 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-02 14:32 ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-02 14:34 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-02-02 18:15 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-02-02 18:55 ` James Bottomley
2021-02-03 12:09 ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-04 11:31 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-02-02 13:27 ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-02 19:10 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-02-03 9:12 ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-04 9:58 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-02-04 13:02 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-29 7:21 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-01-29 8:51 ` Michal Hocko
2021-02-02 14:42 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-01-21 12:27 ` [PATCH v16 08/11] secretmem: add memcg accounting Mike Rapoport
2021-01-25 16:17 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-01-25 17:18 ` Shakeel Butt
2021-01-25 21:35 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-01-28 15:07 ` Shakeel Butt
2021-01-25 16:54 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-25 21:38 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-01-26 7:31 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-26 8:56 ` Mike Rapoport
2021-01-26 9:15 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-26 14:48 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-01-26 15:05 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-27 18:42 ` Roman Gushchin
2021-01-28 7:58 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-28 14:05 ` Shakeel Butt
2021-01-28 14:22 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-28 14:57 ` Shakeel Butt
2021-01-21 12:27 ` [PATCH v16 09/11] PM: hibernate: disable when there are active secretmem users Mike Rapoport
2021-01-21 12:27 ` [PATCH v16 10/11] arch, mm: wire up memfd_secret system call where relevant Mike Rapoport
2021-01-25 18:18 ` Catalin Marinas
2021-01-21 12:27 ` [PATCH v16 11/11] secretmem: test: add basic selftest for memfd_secret(2) Mike Rapoport
2021-01-21 22:18 ` [PATCH v16 00/11] mm: introduce memfd_secret system call to create "secret" memory areas Andrew Morton
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