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Cc: "Yu, Yu-cheng" <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 18/39] mm: Handle faultless write upgrades for shstk
Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2023 18:14:31 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8c3820ae1448de4baffe7c476b4b5d9ba0a309ff.camel@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1327c608-1473-af4f-d962-c24f04f3952c@redhat.com>

On Tue, 2023-01-24 at 17:24 +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> On 23.01.23 21:47, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
> > On Mon, 2023-01-23 at 10:50 +0100, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > > On 19.01.23 22:22, Rick Edgecombe wrote:
> > > > The x86 Control-flow Enforcement Technology (CET) feature
> > > > includes
> > > > a new
> > > > type of memory called shadow stack. This shadow stack memory
> > > > has
> > > > some
> > > > unusual properties, which requires some core mm changes to
> > > > function
> > > > properly.
> > > > 
> > > > Since shadow stack memory can be changed from userspace, is
> > > > both
> > > > VM_SHADOW_STACK and VM_WRITE. But it should not be made
> > > > conventionally
> > > > writable (i.e. pte_mkwrite()). So some code that calls
> > > > pte_mkwrite() needs
> > > > to be adjusted.
> > > > 
> > > > One such case is when memory is made writable without an actual
> > > > write
> > > > fault. This happens in some mprotect operations, and also
> > > > prot_numa
> > > > faults.
> > > > In both cases code checks whether it should be made
> > > > (conventionally)
> > > > writable by calling vma_wants_manual_pte_write_upgrade().
> > > > 
> > > > One way to fix this would be have code actually check if memory
> > > > is
> > > > also
> > > > VM_SHADOW_STACK and in that case call pte_mkwrite_shstk(). But
> > > > since
> > > > most memory won't be shadow stack, just have simpler logic and
> > > > skip
> > > > this
> > > > optimization by changing vma_wants_manual_pte_write_upgrade()
> > > > to
> > > > not
> > > > return true for VM_SHADOW_STACK_MEMORY. This will simply handle
> > > > all
> > > > cases of this type.
> > > > 
> > > > Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
> > > > Tested-by: Pengfei Xu <pengfei.xu@intel.com>
> > > > Tested-by: John Allen <john.allen@amd.com>
> > > > Signed-off-by: Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>
> > > > Reviewed-by: Kirill A. Shutemov <
> > > > kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>
> > > > Signed-off-by: Rick Edgecombe <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>
> > > > ---
> > > 
> > > Instead of having these x86-shadow stack details all over the MM
> > > space,
> > > was the option explored to handle this more in arch specific
> > > code?
> > > 
> > > IIUC, one way to get it working would be
> > > 
> > > 1) Have a SW "shadowstack" PTE flag.
> > > 2) Have an "SW-dirty" PTE flag, to store "dirty=1" when
> > > "write=0".
> > 
> > I don't think that idea came up. So vma->vm_page_prot would have
> > the SW
> > shadow stack flag for VM_SHADOW_STACK, and pte_mkwrite() could do
> > Write=0,Dirty=1 part. It seems like it should work.
> > 
> 
> Right, if we include it in vma->vm_page_prot, we'd immediately let 
> mk_pte() just handle that.
> 
> Otherwise, we'd have to refactor e.g., mk_pte() to consume a vma
> instead 
> of the vma->vm_page_prot. Let's see if we can avoid that for now.
> 
> > > 
> > > pte_mkwrite(), pte_write(), pte_dirty ... can then make decisions
> > > based
> > > on the "shadowstack" PTE flag and hide all these details from
> > > core-
> > > mm.
> > > 
> > > When mapping a shadowstack page (new page, migration, swapin,
> > > ...),
> > > which can be obtained by looking at the VMA flags, the first
> > > thing
> > > you'd
> > > do is set the "shadowstack" PTE flag.
> > 
> > I guess the downside is that it uses an extra software bit. But the
> > other positive is that it's less error prone, so that someone
> > writing
> > core-mm code won't introduce a change that makes shadow stack VMAs
> > Write=1 if they don't know to also check for VM_SHADOW_STACK.
> 
> Right. And I think this mimics the what I would have expected HW to 
> provide: a dedicated HW bit, not somehow mangling this into semantics
> of 
> existing bits.

Yea.

> 
> Roughly speaking: if we abstract it that way and get all of the "how
> to 
> set it writable now?" out of core-MM, it not only is cleaner and
> less 
> error prone, it might even allow other architectures that implement 
> something comparable (e.g., using a dedicated HW bit) to actually
> reuse 
> some of that work. Otherwise most of that "shstk" is really just x86 
> specific ...
> 
> I guess the only cases we have to special case would be page pinning 
> code where pte_write() would indicate that the PTE is writable (well,
> it 
> is, just not by "ordinary CPU instruction" context directly): but you
> do 
> that already, so ... :)
> 
> Sorry for stumbling over that this late, I only started looking into 
> this when you CCed me on that one patch.

Sorry for not calling more attention to it earlier. Appreciate your
comments.

Previously versions of this series had changed some of these
pte_mkwrite() calls to maybe_mkwrite(), which of course takes a vma.
This way an x86 implementation could use the VM_SHADOW_STACK vma flag
to decide between pte_mkwrite() and pte_mkwrite_shstk(). The feedback
was that in some of these code paths "maybe" isn't really an option, it
*needs* to make it writable. Even though the logic was the same, the
name of the function made it look wrong.

But another option could be to change pte_mkwrite() to take a vma. This
would save using another software bit on x86, but instead requires a
small change to each arch's pte_mkwrite().

x86's pte_mkwrite() would then be pretty close to maybe_mkwrite(), but
maybe it could additionally warn if the vma is not writable. It also
seems more aligned with your changes to stop taking hints from PTE bits
and just look at the VMA? (I'm thinking about the dropping of the dirty
check in GUP and dropping pte_saved_write())


  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-24 18:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-19 21:22 [PATCH v5 00/39] Shadow stacks for userspace Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 01/39] Documentation/x86: Add CET shadow stack description Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:38   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 02/39] x86/shstk: Add Kconfig option for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:40   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 03/39] x86/cpufeatures: Add CPU feature flags for shadow stacks Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:44   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 04/39] x86/cpufeatures: Enable CET CR4 bit for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:46   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 05/39] x86/fpu/xstate: Introduce CET MSR and XSAVES supervisor states Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:46   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 06/39] x86/fpu: Add helper for modifying xstate Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:47   ` Kees Cook
2023-02-01 11:01   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-01 17:31     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-01 18:18       ` Borislav Petkov
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 07/39] x86: Add user control-protection fault handler Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:50   ` Kees Cook
2023-02-03 19:09   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-03 19:24     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-03 19:44       ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-03 23:01         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-04 10:37           ` Borislav Petkov
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 08/39] x86/mm: Remove _PAGE_DIRTY from kernel RO pages Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:52   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 09/39] x86/mm: Move pmd_write(), pud_write() up in the file Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 10/39] x86/mm: Introduce _PAGE_COW Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:55   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-23  9:16   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-23  9:28   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-23 20:56     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-24 16:28       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 11/39] x86/mm: Update pte_modify for _PAGE_COW Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:57   ` Kees Cook
2023-02-09 14:08   ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-09 17:09     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-10 13:57       ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-10 17:00         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-17 16:11           ` Borislav Petkov
2023-02-17 16:53             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 12/39] x86/mm: Update ptep_set_wrprotect() and pmdp_set_wrprotect() for transition from _PAGE_DIRTY to _PAGE_COW Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:58   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 13/39] x86/mm: Start actually marking _PAGE_COW Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 14/39] mm: Move VM_UFFD_MINOR_BIT from 37 to 38 Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 15/39] mm: Introduce VM_SHADOW_STACK for shadow stack memory Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 16/39] x86/mm: Check shadow stack page fault errors Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  0:59   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 17/39] x86/mm: Update maybe_mkwrite() for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 18/39] mm: Handle faultless write upgrades for shstk Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-23  9:50   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-23 20:47     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-24 16:24       ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-24 18:14         ` Edgecombe, Rick P [this message]
2023-01-25  9:27           ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-25 18:43             ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-26  0:59               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-26  8:46                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-26 20:19                   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-27 16:12                     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-28  0:51                       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-31  8:46                         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-31 23:33                           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-01  9:03                             ` David Hildenbrand
2023-02-01 17:32                               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-01 18:03                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-26  8:57               ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-26 20:16                 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-27 16:19                   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 19/39] mm: Fixup places that call pte_mkwrite() directly Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:01   ` Kees Cook
2023-02-14  0:09   ` Deepak Gupta
2023-02-14  1:07     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-14  6:10       ` Deepak Gupta
2023-02-14 18:24         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-02-15  6:37           ` Deepak Gupta
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 20/39] mm: Add guard pages around a shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:22 ` [PATCH v5 21/39] mm/mmap: Add shadow stack pages to memory accounting Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 22/39] mm: Re-introduce vm_flags to do_mmap() Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 23/39] mm: Don't allow write GUPs to shadow stack memory Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-23  9:10   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-23 10:45     ` Florian Weimer
2023-01-23 20:46       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-24 16:26         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-24 18:42           ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-24 23:08             ` Kees Cook
2023-01-24 23:41               ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-25  9:29                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-01-25 15:23                   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-25 15:36             ` Schimpe, Christina
2023-01-25 16:43               ` Schimpe, Christina
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 24/39] x86/mm: Introduce MAP_ABOVE4G Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 25/39] mm: Warn on shadow stack memory in wrong vma Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:01   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 26/39] x86: Introduce userspace API for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:04   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 27/39] x86/shstk: Add user-mode shadow stack support Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:05   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 28/39] x86/shstk: Handle thread shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 29/39] x86/shstk: Introduce routines modifying shstk Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:05   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 30/39] x86/shstk: Handle signals for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 31/39] x86/shstk: Introduce map_shadow_stack syscall Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:07   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 32/39] x86/shstk: Support WRSS for userspace Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:06   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 33/39] x86: Expose thread features in /proc/$PID/status Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 34/39] x86/shstk: Wire in shadow stack interface Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 35/39] selftests/x86: Add shadow stack test Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 36/39] x86/fpu: Add helper for initing features Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 37/39] x86: Add PTRACE interface for shadow stack Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:08   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 38/39] x86/shstk: Add ARCH_SHSTK_UNLOCK Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-19 21:23 ` [PATCH v5 39/39] x86/shstk: Add ARCH_SHSTK_STATUS Rick Edgecombe
2023-01-20  1:08   ` Kees Cook
2023-01-19 22:26 ` [PATCH v5 00/39] Shadow stacks for userspace Andrew Morton
2023-01-20 17:27   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-20 19:19     ` Kees Cook
2023-01-25 19:46       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2023-01-20 17:48 ` John Allen
2023-01-22  8:20 ` Mike Rapoport

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