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From: "Kasireddy, Vivek" <vivek.kasireddy@intel.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: "Kim, Dongwon" <dongwon.kim@intel.com>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	"Chang, Junxiao" <junxiao.chang@intel.com>,
	"dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org"
	<dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Alistair Popple" <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>, Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"Gerd Hoffmann" <kraxel@redhat.com>,
	Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>
Subject: RE: [RFC v1 1/3] mm/mmu_notifier: Add a new notifier for mapping updates (new pages)
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 05:32:38 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <IA0PR11MB71857E9D6C3AD311CF698D13F80AA@IA0PR11MB7185.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZMbtsY4O3Ho3B69J@nvidia.com>

Hi Jason,

> 
> > > Later the importer decides it needs the memory again so it again asks
> > > for the dmabuf to be present, which does hmm_range_fault and gets
> > > whatever is appropriate at the time.
> > Unless I am missing something, I think just doing the above still won't solve
> > the problem. Consider this sequence:
> >      write_to_memfd(addr1, size, 'a');
> >      buf = create_udmabuf_list(devfd, memfd, size);
> >      addr2 = mmap_fd(buf, NUM_PAGES * NUM_ENTRIES * getpagesize());
> >      read(addr2);
> >      write_to_memfd(addr1, size, 'b');
> >      punch_hole(memfd, MEMFD_SIZE / 2);
> > -> Since we can process the invalidate at this point, as per your suggestion,
> >      we can trigger dmabuf move to let the importers know that the
> dmabuf's
> >      backing memory has changed (or moved).
> >
> >      read(addr2);
> > -> Because there is a hole, we can handle the read by either providing the
> >      old pages or zero pages (if using hmm_range_fault()) to the
> > importers.
> 
> You never provide the old pages. After trunctate the only correct
> value to read is zero.
> 
> >      Maybe it is against convention, but I think it makes sense to provide old
> >      pages (that were mapped before the hole punch) because the importers
> >      have not read the data in these pages ('b' above) yet.
> 
> Nope.
> 
> >      And, another reason to provide old pages is because the data in
> >      these pages is shown in a window on the Host's screen so it
> >      doesn't make sense to show zero page data.
> 
> So why did you trucate it if you want to keep the data?
> 
> 
> > -> write_to_memfd(addr1, size, 'c');
> >      As the hole gets refilled (with new pages) after the above write, AFAIU,
> we
> >      have to tell the importers again that since the backing memory has
> changed,
> >      (new pages) they need to recreate their mappings. But herein lies the
> problem:
> >      from inside the udmabuf driver, we cannot know when this write occurs,
> so we
> >      would not be able to notify the importers of the dmabuf move.
> 
> You get another invalidate because the memfd removes the zero pages
> that hmm_range_fault installed in the PTEs before replacing them with
> actual writable pages. Then you do the move, and another
> hmm_range_fault, and basically the whole thing over again. Except this
> time instead of returning zero pages it returns actual writable page.
Ok, when I tested earlier (by registering an invalidate callback) but without
hmm_range_fault(), I did not find this additional invalidate getting triggered.
Let me try with hmm_range_fault() and see if everything works as expected.
Thank you for your help.


Thanks,
Vivek

> 
> Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-01  5:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-18  8:28 [RFC v1 0/3] udmabuf: Replace pages when there is FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE in memfd Vivek Kasireddy
2023-07-18  8:28 ` [RFC v1 1/3] mm/mmu_notifier: Add a new notifier for mapping updates (new pages) Vivek Kasireddy
2023-07-18 15:36   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-07-19  0:05     ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-07-19  0:24       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-07-19  6:19         ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-07-19  2:08   ` Alistair Popple
2023-07-20  7:43     ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-07-20  9:00       ` Alistair Popple
2023-07-24  7:54         ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-07-24 13:35           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-07-24 20:32             ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-07-25  4:30               ` Hugh Dickins
2023-07-25 22:24                 ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-07-27 21:43                   ` Peter Xu
2023-07-29  0:08                     ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-07-31 17:05                       ` Peter Xu
2023-08-01  7:11                         ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-08-01 21:57                           ` Peter Xu
2023-08-03  8:08                             ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-08-03 13:02                               ` Peter Xu
2023-07-25 12:36               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-07-25 22:44                 ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-07-25 22:53                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-07-27  7:34                     ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-07-27 11:58                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-07-29  0:46                         ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-07-30 23:09                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-08-01  5:32                             ` Kasireddy, Vivek [this message]
2023-08-01 12:19                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-08-01 12:22                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-01 12:23                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-08-01 12:26                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-01 12:26                                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-08-01 12:28                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-01 17:53                                           ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-08-01 18:19                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-08-03  7:35                                               ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-08-03 12:14                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-08-03 12:32                                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-04  0:14                                                     ` Alistair Popple
2023-08-04  6:39                                                       ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-08-04  7:23                                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2023-08-04 21:53                                                           ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-08-04 12:49                                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-08-08  7:37                                                           ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-08-08 12:42                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-08-16  6:43                                                               ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-08-21  9:02                                                                 ` Alistair Popple
2023-08-22  6:14                                                                   ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-08-22  8:15                                                                     ` Alistair Popple
2023-08-24  6:48                                                                       ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-08-28  4:38                                                                         ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-08-30 16:02                                                                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-07-25  3:38             ` Alistair Popple
2023-07-24 13:36           ` Alistair Popple
2023-07-24 13:37             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-07-24 20:42             ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-07-25  3:14               ` Alistair Popple
2023-07-18  8:28 ` [RFC v1 2/3] udmabuf: Replace pages when there is FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE in memfd Vivek Kasireddy
2023-08-02 12:40   ` Daniel Vetter
2023-08-03  8:24     ` Kasireddy, Vivek
2023-08-03  8:32       ` Daniel Vetter
2023-07-18  8:28 ` [RFC v1 3/3] selftests/dma-buf/udmabuf: Add tests for huge pages and FALLOC_FL_PUNCH_HOLE Vivek Kasireddy

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