From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v9 12/13] xpfo, mm: Defer TLB flushes for non-current CPUs (x86 only)
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 09:17:17 +0200 (CEST) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1904050909520.1802@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <91f1dbce-332e-25d1-15f6-0e9cfc8b797b@oracle.com>
On Thu, 4 Apr 2019, Khalid Aziz wrote:
> When xpfo unmaps a page from physmap only (after mapping the page in
> userspace in response to an allocation request from userspace) on one
> processor, there is a small window of opportunity for ret2dir attack on
> other cpus until the TLB entry in physmap for the unmapped pages on
> other cpus is cleared. Forcing that to happen synchronously is the
> expensive part. A multiple of these requests can come in over a very
> short time across multiple processors resulting in every cpu asking
> every other cpusto flush TLB just to close this small window of
> vulnerability in the kernel. If each request is processed synchronously,
> each CPU will do multiple TLB flushes in short order. If we could
> consolidate these TLB flush requests instead and do one TLB flush on
> each cpu at the time of context switch, we can reduce the performance
> impact significantly. This bears out in real life measuring the system
> time when doing a parallel kernel build on a large server. Without this,
> system time on 96-core server when doing "make -j60 all" went up 26x.
> After this optimization, impact went down to 1.44x.
>
> The trade-off with this strategy is, the kernel on a cpu is vulnerable
> for a short time if the current running processor is the malicious
The "short" time to next context switch on the other CPUs is how short
exactly? Anything from 1us to seconds- think NOHZ FULL - and even w/o that
10ms on a HZ=100 kernel is plenty of time to launch an attack.
> process. Is that an acceptable trade-off?
You are not seriously asking whether creating a user controllable ret2dir
attack window is a acceptable trade-off? April 1st was a few days ago.
Thanks,
tglx
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-04-05 7:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-04-03 17:34 [RFC PATCH v9 00/13] Add support for eXclusive Page Frame Ownership Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34 ` [RFC PATCH v9 01/13] mm: add MAP_HUGETLB support to vm_mmap Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34 ` [RFC PATCH v9 02/13] x86: always set IF before oopsing from page fault Khalid Aziz
2019-04-04 0:12 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-04 1:42 ` Tycho Andersen
2019-04-04 4:12 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-04 15:47 ` Tycho Andersen
2019-04-04 16:23 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-04-04 16:28 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-04-04 17:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-03 17:34 ` [RFC PATCH v9 03/13] mm: Add support for eXclusive Page Frame Ownership (XPFO) Khalid Aziz
2019-04-04 7:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-04 9:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-04 14:48 ` Tycho Andersen
2019-04-04 7:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-04 15:15 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-04 17:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-17 16:15 ` Ingo Molnar
2019-04-17 16:49 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-17 17:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2019-04-17 17:19 ` Nadav Amit
2019-04-17 17:26 ` Ingo Molnar
2019-04-17 17:44 ` Nadav Amit
2019-04-17 21:19 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-04-17 23:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-17 23:42 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-04-17 23:52 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-18 4:41 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-18 5:41 ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18 14:34 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-22 19:30 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-22 22:23 ` Kees Cook
2019-04-18 6:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-04-17 17:33 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-17 19:49 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-17 19:52 ` Tycho Andersen
2019-04-17 20:12 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-05-01 14:49 ` Waiman Long
2019-05-01 15:18 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34 ` [RFC PATCH v9 04/13] xpfo, x86: Add support for XPFO for x86-64 Khalid Aziz
2019-04-04 7:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-04 15:40 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34 ` [RFC PATCH v9 05/13] mm: add a user_virt_to_phys symbol Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34 ` [RFC PATCH v9 06/13] lkdtm: Add test for XPFO Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34 ` [RFC PATCH v9 07/13] arm64/mm: Add support " Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34 ` [RFC PATCH v9 08/13] swiotlb: Map the buffer if it was unmapped by XPFO Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34 ` [RFC PATCH v9 09/13] xpfo: add primitives for mapping underlying memory Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34 ` [RFC PATCH v9 10/13] arm64/mm, xpfo: temporarily map dcache regions Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34 ` [RFC PATCH v9 11/13] xpfo, mm: optimize spinlock usage in xpfo_kunmap Khalid Aziz
2019-04-04 7:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-04 16:06 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-03 17:34 ` [RFC PATCH v9 12/13] xpfo, mm: Defer TLB flushes for non-current CPUs (x86 only) Khalid Aziz
2019-04-04 4:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <91f1dbce-332e-25d1-15f6-0e9cfc8b797b@oracle.com>
2019-04-05 7:17 ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2019-04-05 14:44 ` Dave Hansen
2019-04-05 15:24 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-05 15:56 ` Tycho Andersen
2019-04-05 16:32 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-05 15:56 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-05 16:01 ` Dave Hansen
2019-04-05 16:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-05 16:41 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-05 17:35 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-05 15:44 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-05 15:24 ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-04-04 8:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-04-03 17:34 ` [RFC PATCH v9 13/13] xpfo, mm: Optimize XPFO TLB flushes by batching them together Khalid Aziz
2019-04-04 16:44 ` [RFC PATCH v9 00/13] Add support for eXclusive Page Frame Ownership Nadav Amit
2019-04-04 17:18 ` Khalid Aziz
2019-04-06 6:40 ` Jon Masters
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