From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04543C43381 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 22:21:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C793720811 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 22:21:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1729664AbfCYWVJ (ORCPT ); Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:21:09 -0400 Received: from fieldses.org ([173.255.197.46]:56004 "EHLO fieldses.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1729610AbfCYWVJ (ORCPT ); Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:21:09 -0400 Received: by fieldses.org (Postfix, from userid 2815) id C29E21CE6; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 18:21:08 -0400 From: "J. Bruce Fields" To: NeilBrown Cc: Linux NFS Mailing List Subject: Re: [PATCH] sunrpc/cache: handle missing listeners better. Message-ID: <20190325222108.GB22644@fieldses.org> References: <87pnqj64br.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> <20190322165338.GB7692@fieldses.org> <87bm225ymv.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87bm225ymv.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: linux-nfs-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-nfs@vger.kernel.org On Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 09:32:08AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > On Fri, Mar 22 2019, J. Bruce Fields wrote: > > I've gotten complaints about the same thing and said "well, in > > retrospect we shouldn't have designed the interface this way, but we > > did, so just stop opening those files". > > As the fool who actually "designed" this, Pretty sure I was there too and had my chance to object. In any case, hope you didn't take that as a personal complaint about your work, it (along with lots of maintenance since then) is much appreciated. > I can say with some confidence that the intention was always the > requests would block for at most 30 seconds. ... > > One advantage of waiting for mountd to come back is that you could > > upgrade mountd in place. That shouldn't take 30 seconds, though. And I > > haven't heard of anyone actually doing that. > > Surely upgrading of mountd in-place happens whenever you install a new > version. I didn't think distros restarted mountd on upgrade, but I haven't actually checked that. I agree that it's something we should allow, anyway. > > It's too bad that not opening auth.unix.gid is the only way for mountd > > to communicate that gids shouldn't be mapped. > > I have a general preference for reusing existing functionality rather > than creating new special-purpose functionality. I think this has > served me well more often than not. Maybe this is one case of "not". > > If you want to restart mountd without --managed-gids (where previously > it had that option), there is a chance that you will hit this problem. > That is a case where the answer "just stop opening those files" doesn't > really apply. Yeah. OK, applying. (But I'm traveling and may not get this tested and pushed out till next week.) --b.