From: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
To: Sagi Grimberg <sagi@grimberg.me>,
"Belanger, Martin" <Martin.Belanger@dell.com>,
Martin Belanger <nitram_67@hotmail.com>,
"linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org" <linux-nvme@lists.infradead.org>
Cc: "kbusch@kernel.org" <kbusch@kernel.org>,
"axboe@fb.com" <axboe@fb.com>, "hch@lst.de" <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] Add 'Transport Interface' (triface) option. This can be used to specify the IP interface to use for the connection. The driver uses that to set SO_BINDTODEVICE on the socket before connecting.
Date: Wed, 12 May 2021 08:09:30 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2d747a9f-d29d-de1c-7bdc-69e11bf5d9da@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9c7d43e1-e13e-43a9-8212-ff48467d3a49@grimberg.me>
On 5/11/21 7:13 PM, Sagi Grimberg wrote:
>
>> I've been thinking about what you said regarding the need to repeat
>> the -w option when two interfaces share the same IP address. I think
>> we're looking at the problem from a different point of view. The
>> current implementation uses an IP address to identify an interface. I,
>> on the other hand, believe that the best way to identify an interface
>> is by its "interface name or index". In previous emails, I provided
>> examples of the problems that may occur when using an IP address to
>> identify an interface. For example, one can assign the same IP address
>> to different interfaces making it impossible to distinguish interfaces
>> by their IP address alone. Another example is that the low level APIs
>> (e.g. setsockopt(SO_BINDTODEVICE) don’t even require the source IP
>> address. They only need the interface name/index. So, why go through
>> the trouble of performing a reverse address lookup to retrieve the
>> interface name/index when the address is not used at all?
>>
>> By the way, if nvme-cli/linux-nvme allowed specifying interfaces by
>> name/index, then we would not really need to repeat the -w option
>> unless we also wanted to set the source address at the same time.
>> Setting the source address is a completely different thing from
>> setting the interface. One should be allowed to set one independently
>> from the other, or both, or none.
>>
>> If you look at how ping is implemented, they do not infer the
>> interface from the IP address. If one wants to force ping to go over
>> an interface, then one must provide the interface by name/index using
>> the -I option. If one wants to change the source IP address (without
>> forcing a specific interface), then one provides the IP address to the
>> -I option. It's simple and intuitive. And ping also supports appending
>> the interface to the Destination IP using the '%' delimiter for
>> IPv6-only as per RFC4007.
>>
>> I think that nvme-cli/linux-nvme should follow the ping approach.
>> Interfaces should never be inferred from source IP addresses, but
>> instead be clearly identified by their name or index. And setting the
>> source address should be independent from setting the interface.
>
> I'm starting to think that we are going in circles, I'm getting to
> the point that having host_iface is the right way to go.
>
> We can have nvme-cli convert <addr>%iface notation to
> "..,host_traddr=<addr>,host_iface=<iface>,.." when creating the
> controller string...
That was my thinking, too; the only _other_ way would be to have a
host_traddr _imply_ a binding to the underlying interface.
We could define that, but having a single option doing _two_ different
things is not good software design.
So let's do the 'host_iface' thingie.
Cheers,
Hannes
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2021-04-15 19:28 ` [PATCH 1/1] Add 'Transport Interface' (triface) option. This can be used to specify the IP interface to use for the connection. The driver uses that to set SO_BINDTODEVICE on the socket before connecting Martin Belanger
2021-05-01 11:34 ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-05-03 16:59 ` Belanger, Martin
2021-05-04 13:25 ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-05-04 19:56 ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-05-05 8:47 ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-05-05 14:31 ` Belanger, Martin
2021-05-05 18:33 ` James Smart
2021-05-05 20:32 ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-05-06 18:27 ` Michael Christie
2021-05-06 6:05 ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-05-06 7:00 ` Hannes Reinecke
2021-05-06 15:46 ` Belanger, Martin
2021-05-07 18:20 ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-05-10 13:49 ` Belanger, Martin
2021-05-10 18:13 ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-05-10 19:18 ` Belanger, Martin
2021-05-11 0:28 ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-05-11 13:41 ` Belanger, Martin
2021-05-11 17:13 ` Sagi Grimberg
2021-05-12 6:09 ` Hannes Reinecke [this message]
2021-05-12 12:12 ` Belanger, Martin
2021-05-12 22:12 ` Sagi Grimberg
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