From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.8 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12359C433DF for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2020 08:58:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE4382072E for ; Thu, 25 Jun 2020 08:58:25 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key) header.d=infradead.org header.i=@infradead.org header.b="dhVJmH7i" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S2390795AbgFYI6U (ORCPT ); Thu, 25 Jun 2020 04:58:20 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:52072 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S2390330AbgFYI6T (ORCPT ); Thu, 25 Jun 2020 04:58:19 -0400 Received: from casper.infradead.org (unknown [IPv6:2001:8b0:10b:1236::1]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A76FAC061573; Thu, 25 Jun 2020 01:58:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=casper.20170209; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version: References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=oaHjYuJa/3zuClzIH+/g+fhPoe4mw4jvJXlUfLpBRwo=; b=dhVJmH7iCebSecH6ztLVh/a9AX q/FRl+8k3rSxsroM7W9JVbb4ruGWGY7b3ylToiN3VKMgxN8q00TRkiBpCp8haU8MShPGRK/s8jkgg w3YBszL7uKIGNLBTLhESs/x80y6d0palNb62gZGEGSMiegKRbb9GXJ9f1wHqqmzeO1jX7JiN9/HsX aTa1JqeZNh93t14b58sd/SSqgpOlSZ8pEHH5Qo6ELxJU7Vf2AGwoPRrjAW1izwzD6GTzOsKkAJ0LL Ve/bAcUlLidRSKJGMMkj+0+VwBHrbE7cgi6LsUKtOByycYPJrSQmUl57IXr4MTgW/JLH3ka/h2HLc xcYWPkgA==; Received: from j217100.upc-j.chello.nl ([24.132.217.100] helo=noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net) by casper.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.92.3 #3 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1joNhc-0003bQ-FK; Thu, 25 Jun 2020 08:57:48 +0000 Received: from hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net (hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net [192.168.1.225]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE9DA3003E5; Thu, 25 Jun 2020 10:57:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: by hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AA33E2010773D; Thu, 25 Jun 2020 10:57:45 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 10:57:45 +0200 From: Peter Zijlstra To: Nick Desaulniers Cc: Sami Tolvanen , Masahiro Yamada , Will Deacon , Greg Kroah-Hartman , "Paul E. McKenney" , Kees Cook , clang-built-linux , Kernel Hardening , linux-arch , Linux ARM , Linux Kbuild mailing list , LKML , linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, "maintainer:X86 ARCHITECTURE (32-BIT AND 64-BIT)" Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/22] add support for Clang LTO Message-ID: <20200625085745.GD117543@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <20200624203200.78870-1-samitolvanen@google.com> <20200624211540.GS4817@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20200625080313.GY4817@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20200625082433.GC117543@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200625082433.GC117543@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> Sender: linux-pci-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-pci@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:24:33AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 10:03:13AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > I'm sure Will will respond, but the basic issue is the trainwreck C11 > > made of dependent loads. > > > > Anyway, here's a link to the last time this came up: > > > > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-arm-kernel/20171116174830.GX3624@linux.vnet.ibm.com/ > > Another good read: > > https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20150520005510.GA23559@linux.vnet.ibm.com/ > > and having (partially) re-read that, I now worry intensily about things > like latch_tree_find(), cyc2ns_read_begin, __ktime_get_fast_ns(). > > It looks like kernel/time/sched_clock.c uses raw_read_seqcount() which > deviates from the above patterns by, for some reason, using a primitive > that includes an extra smp_rmb(). > > And this is just the few things I could remember off the top of my head, > who knows what else is out there. As an example, let us consider __ktime_get_fast_ns(), the critical bit is: seq = raw_read_seqcount_latch(&tkf->seq); tkr = tkf->base + (seq & 0x01); now = tkr->base; And we hard rely on that being a dependent load, so: LOAD seq, (tkf->seq) LOAD tkr, tkf->base AND seq, 1 MUL seq, sizeof(tk_read_base) ADD tkr, seq LOAD now, (tkr->base) Such that we obtain 'now' as a direct dependency on 'seq'. This ensures the loads are ordered. A compiler can wreck this by translating it into something like: LOAD seq, (tkf->seq) LOAD tkr, tkf->base AND seq, 1 CMP seq, 0 JE 1f ADD tkr, sizeof(tk_read_base) 1: LOAD now, (tkr->base) Because now the machine can speculate and load now before seq, breaking the ordering.