From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Jon Masters <jcm@redhat.com>
Cc: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>,
Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>, Vikram Sethi <vsethi@nvidia.com>,
Vidya Sagar <vidyas@nvidia.com>,
Thierry Reding <treding@nvidia.com>,
Jon Masters <jcm@jonmasters.org>,
Jeremy Linton <jeremy.linton@arm.com>,
Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
Eric Brower <ebrower@nvidia.com>,
Grant.Likely@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] arm64: PCI: Enable SMC conduit
Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2021 11:05:54 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210618140554.GD1002214@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+kK7ZijdNERQSauEvAffR7JLbfZ512na2-9cJrU0vFbNnDGwQ@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 09:21:54AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
> Hi Jason,
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 1:38 PM Jason Gunthorpe <[1]jgg@nvidia.com>
> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 01:12:31PM +0000, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:
> However, in modern server type systems the PCI config space is often
> a
> software fiction being created by firmware throughout the PCI
> space. This has become necessary as the config space has exploded in
> size and complexity and PCI devices themselves have become very,
> very
> complicated. Not just the config space of single devices, but even
> bridges and topology are SW created in some cases.
> HW that is doing this is already trapping the config cycles somehow,
> presumably with some very ugly way like x86's SMM. Allowing a
> designed
> in way to inject software into the config space cycles does sound a
> lot cleaner and better to me.
>
> This is not required. SMM is terrible, indeed. But we don't have to
> relive it in Arm just because that's [EL3] the easy place to shove
> things :)
"This is not required"? What does that mean?
> For instance it may solve other pain points if ARM systems had a
> cheap
> way to emulate up a "PCI device" to wrapper around some IP blob on
> chip. The x86 world has really driven this approach where everything
> on SOC is PCI discoverable, and it does seem to work well.
> IMHO SW emulation of config space is an important ingredient to do
> this.
>
> There are certainly ways to build PCI configuration space in a
> programmable way that does not require software trapping into
> MM.
Can you elaborate on what you'd like to see here? Where do you want to
put the software then?
> I strongly agree with the value of an industry standard approach
> to this in hardware, particularly if the PCIe vendors would offer
> this as IP. In a perfect world, ECAM would simply be an
> abstraction and never directly map to fixed hardware, thus one
> could correct defects in behavior in the field. I believe on the
> x86 side of the house, there is some interesting trapping support
> in the LPC/IOH already and this is absolutely what Arm should be
> doing.
AFAIK x86 has HW that traps the read/writes to the ECAM and can
trigger a FW flow to emulate them, maybe in SMM, I don't know the
details. It ceratinly used to be like this when SMM could trap the
config space io read/write registers.
Is that what you want to see for ARM? Is that better than a SMC?
That is alot of special magic hardware to avoid a SMC call...
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-06-18 14:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-01-05 4:57 [PATCH] arm64: PCI: Enable SMC conduit Jeremy Linton
2021-01-07 15:28 ` Rob Herring
2021-01-07 16:23 ` Jeremy Linton
2021-01-07 17:36 ` Rob Herring
2021-01-07 19:45 ` Jeremy Linton
2021-01-07 20:35 ` Rob Herring
2021-01-07 18:14 ` Will Deacon
2021-01-07 19:18 ` Jeremy Linton
2021-01-07 21:05 ` Jon Masters
2021-01-07 21:49 ` Rob Herring
2021-01-08 10:32 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2021-01-22 19:48 ` Will Deacon
2021-01-26 16:46 ` Jeremy Linton
2021-01-26 22:54 ` Will Deacon
2021-01-28 18:50 ` Jeremy Linton
2021-01-28 23:31 ` Bjorn Helgaas
[not found] ` <CACCGGCc3zULqHgUh3Q9wA5WtPBnQ4eq_v2+1qA8bOBCQZJ5YoQ@mail.gmail.com>
2021-02-25 9:30 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2021-02-25 22:31 ` Jeremy Linton
2021-01-26 17:08 ` Vikram Sethi
2021-01-26 22:53 ` Will Deacon
2021-03-25 13:12 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2021-03-25 20:45 ` Marcin Wojtas
2021-03-25 21:12 ` Jon Masters
2021-03-26 9:27 ` Marcin Wojtas
2021-06-16 17:36 ` Jason Gunthorpe
[not found] ` <CA+kK7ZijdNERQSauEvAffR7JLbfZ512na2-9cJrU0vFbNnDGwQ@mail.gmail.com>
2021-06-18 14:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2021-06-19 16:34 ` Jon Masters
2021-06-19 16:38 ` Jon Masters
2021-06-20 0:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-06-18 15:10 ` Jeremy Linton
2021-01-12 16:16 ` Vidya Sagar
2021-01-12 16:57 ` Jeremy Linton
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