From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: poza@codeaurora.org
Cc: Sinan Kaya <okaya@kernel.org>, Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
Thomas Tai <thomas.tai@oracle.com>,
bhelgaas@google.com, keith.busch@intel.com,
linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci-owner@vger.kernel.org,
Sam Bobroff <sam.bobroff@au1.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] PCI/AER: prevent pcie_do_fatal_recovery from using device after it is removed
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 07:02:44 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <512e0e11c3ba462c1d033f8b0e768fa27489731c.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a149d9657ca83b41c724b0ddd319c6fb@codeaurora.org>
On Mon, 2018-08-20 at 18:56 +0530, poza@codeaurora.org wrote:
> Hi Ben,
>
> I get the idea and get your points. and when I started implementation of
> this, I did ask these questions to myself.
> but then we all fell aligned to what DPC was doing, because thats how
> the driver was dealing with ERR_FATAL.
>
> I can put together a patch adhering to the idea, and modify err.c.
> let me know if you are okay with that.
> I have both DPC and AER capable root port, so I can easily validate the
> changes as we improve upon this.
>
> besides We have to come to some common ground on policy.
> 1) if device driver dictates the reset we should agree to do SBR.
> (irrespective of the type of error)
It's not just "the driver dictates the reset". It's a combination of
all agents. Either the driver or the framework, *both* can request a
reset. Also if you have multiple devices involved (for example multiple
functions), then any of the drivers can request the reset.
> 2) under what circumstances framework will impose the reset, even if
> device driver did not !
Well ERR_FATAL typically would be one. Make it an argument to the
framework, it's possible that EEH might always do, I have to look into
it.
> probably changes might be simpler; although it will require to exercise
> some tests cases for both DPC and AER.
> let me know if anything I missed here, but let me attempt to make patch
> and we can go form there.
>
> Let me know you opinion.
I agree. Hopefully Sam will have a chance to chime in (he's caught up
with something else at the moment) as well.
Cheers,
Ben.
> Regards,
> Oza.
>
> >
> > > Also I am very much interested in knowing original intention of DPC
> > > driver to unplug/plug devices,
> > > all I remember in some conversation was:
> > > hotplug capable bridge might have see devices changed, so it is safer
> > > to
> > > remove/unplug the devices and during which .shutdown methods of driver
> > > is called, in case of ERR_FATAL.
> >
> > The device being "swapped" during an error recovery operation is ...
> > unlikely. Do the bridges have a way to latch that the presence detect
> > changed ?
> >
> > > although DPC is HW recovery while AER is sw recovery both should
> > > fundamentally act in the same way as far as device drivers callbacks
> > > are
> > > concerned.
> > > (again I really dont know real motivation behind this)
> >
> > The main problem with unplug/replug (as I mentioned earlier) is that it
> > just does NOT work for storage controllers (or similar type of
> > devices). The links between the storage controller and the mounted
> > filesystems is lost permanently, you'll most likely have to reboot the
> > machine.
> >
> > With our current EEH implementation we can successfully recover from
> > fatal errors with the storage controller by resetting it.
> >
> > Finally as for PERST vs. Hot Reset, this is an implementation detail.
> > Not all our platforms can control PERST on all devices either, we
> > generally prefer PERST as it provides a more reliable reset mechanism
> > in practice (talking from experience) but will fallback to hot reset.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ben.
> >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Oza.
> > >
> > > > - Figure out what hooks might be needed to be able to plumb EEH into
> > > > it, possibly removing a bunch of crap in arch/powerpc (yay !)
> > > >
> > > > I don't think having a webex will be that practical with the timezones
> > > > involved. I'm trying to get approval to go to Plumbers in which case we
> > > > could setup a BOF but I have no guarantee at this point that I can make
> > > > it happen.
> > > >
> > > > So let's try using email as much possible for now.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Ben.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-08-20 21:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-08-13 16:51 [PATCH 0/1] PCI/AER: prevent pcie_do_fatal_recovery from using device after it is removed Thomas Tai
2018-08-13 16:51 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Thomas Tai
2018-08-14 9:16 ` poza
2018-08-14 9:22 ` poza
2018-08-14 13:51 ` Thomas Tai
2018-08-15 14:57 ` poza
2018-08-15 15:02 ` Thomas Tai
2018-08-15 15:26 ` poza
2018-08-15 15:43 ` Thomas Tai
2018-08-15 15:59 ` poza
2018-08-15 16:04 ` Thomas Tai
2018-08-15 21:55 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-15 21:56 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16 6:36 ` poza
2018-08-16 6:51 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16 6:59 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16 8:07 ` poza
2018-08-16 8:12 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16 9:03 ` poza
2018-08-16 10:07 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16 14:11 ` poza
2018-08-16 23:30 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-17 10:29 ` poza
2018-08-17 10:44 ` poza
2018-08-18 7:38 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16 7:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16 7:15 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16 7:56 ` poza
2018-08-16 8:10 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16 8:05 ` poza
2018-08-16 8:15 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16 8:22 ` poza
2018-08-16 8:28 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16 13:30 ` Thomas Tai
2018-08-16 13:46 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-16 23:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-17 6:35 ` poza
2018-08-19 2:24 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-08-20 5:09 ` poza
2018-08-20 5:15 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20 13:02 ` Thomas Tai
2018-08-20 13:27 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-19 2:19 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-08-19 21:41 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-20 2:03 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20 5:19 ` poza
2018-08-20 5:33 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20 7:56 ` poza
2018-08-20 11:22 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20 13:26 ` poza
2018-08-20 21:02 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2018-08-21 5:14 ` poza
2018-08-21 6:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-21 14:37 ` Keith Busch
2018-08-21 15:07 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-21 15:29 ` Keith Busch
2018-08-21 15:50 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-21 15:55 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-21 16:44 ` Keith Busch
2018-08-21 15:30 ` poza
2018-08-21 21:14 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-21 22:04 ` Keith Busch
2018-08-21 22:33 ` Keith Busch
2018-08-21 23:06 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-21 23:13 ` Keith Busch
2018-08-22 0:36 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-30 0:01 ` Keith Busch
2018-08-30 0:10 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-30 0:46 ` Keith Busch
2018-08-30 4:26 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20 15:53 ` Keith Busch
2018-08-20 16:13 ` poza
2018-08-20 16:32 ` Keith Busch
2018-08-20 21:05 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20 21:21 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-20 21:35 ` Keith Busch
2018-08-20 21:53 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20 22:02 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-20 22:04 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20 22:13 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-20 22:19 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-22 9:13 ` Lukas Wunner
2018-08-22 14:38 ` Keith Busch
2018-08-22 14:51 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-20 22:13 ` Keith Busch
2018-08-20 22:19 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-21 1:30 ` Keith Busch
2018-08-20 4:37 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20 4:39 ` PATCH] Partial revert of "PCI/AER: Handle ERR_FATAL with removal and re-enumeration of devices" Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-21 19:50 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-08-22 4:35 ` poza
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