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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: poza@codeaurora.org
Cc: Sinan Kaya <okaya@kernel.org>, Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Tai <thomas.tai@oracle.com>,
	bhelgaas@google.com, keith.busch@intel.com,
	linux-pci@vger.kernel.org, linux-pci-owner@vger.kernel.org,
	Sam Bobroff <sam.bobroff@au1.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] PCI/AER: prevent pcie_do_fatal_recovery from using device after it is removed
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 07:02:44 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <512e0e11c3ba462c1d033f8b0e768fa27489731c.camel@kernel.crashing.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a149d9657ca83b41c724b0ddd319c6fb@codeaurora.org>

On Mon, 2018-08-20 at 18:56 +0530, poza@codeaurora.org wrote:
> Hi Ben,
> 
> I get the idea and get your points. and when I started implementation of 
> this, I did ask these questions to myself.
> but then we all fell aligned to what DPC was doing, because thats how 
> the driver was dealing with ERR_FATAL.
> 
> I can put together a patch adhering to the idea, and modify err.c.
> let me know if you are okay with that.
> I have both DPC and AER capable root port, so I can easily validate the 
> changes as we improve upon this.
> 
> besides We have to come to some common ground on policy.
> 1) if device driver dictates the reset we should agree to do SBR. 
> (irrespective of the type of error)

It's not just "the driver dictates the reset". It's a combination of
all agents. Either the driver or the framework, *both* can request a
reset. Also if you have multiple devices involved (for example multiple
functions), then any of the drivers can request the reset.

> 2) under what circumstances framework will impose the reset, even if 
> device driver did not !

Well ERR_FATAL typically would be one. Make it an argument to the
framework, it's possible that EEH might always do, I have to look into
it.

> probably changes might be simpler; although it will require to exercise 
> some tests cases for both DPC and AER.
> let me know if anything I missed here, but let me attempt to make patch 
> and we can go form there.
> 
> Let me know you opinion.

I agree. Hopefully Sam will have a chance to chime in (he's caught up
with something else at the moment) as well.

Cheers,
Ben.

> Regards,
> Oza.
> 
> > 
> > > Also I am very much interested in knowing original intention of DPC
> > > driver to unplug/plug devices,
> > > all I remember in some conversation was:
> > > hotplug capable bridge might have see devices changed, so it is safer 
> > > to
> > > remove/unplug the devices and during which .shutdown methods of driver
> > > is called, in case of ERR_FATAL.
> > 
> > The device being "swapped" during an error recovery operation is ...
> > unlikely. Do the bridges have a way to latch that the presence detect
> > changed ?
> > 
> > > although DPC is HW recovery while AER is sw recovery both should
> > > fundamentally act in the same way as far as device drivers callbacks 
> > > are
> > > concerned.
> > > (again I really dont know real motivation behind this)
> > 
> > The main problem with unplug/replug (as I mentioned earlier) is that it
> > just does NOT work for storage controllers (or similar type of
> > devices). The links between the storage controller and the mounted
> > filesystems is lost permanently, you'll most likely have to reboot the
> > machine.
> > 
> > With our current EEH implementation we can successfully recover from
> > fatal errors with the storage controller by resetting it.
> > 
> > Finally as for PERST vs. Hot Reset, this is an implementation detail.
> > Not all our platforms can control PERST on all devices either, we
> > generally prefer PERST as it provides a more reliable reset mechanism
> > in practice (talking from experience) but will fallback to hot reset.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Ben.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Oza.
> > > 
> > > >  - Figure out what hooks might be needed to be able to plumb EEH into
> > > > it, possibly removing a bunch of crap in arch/powerpc (yay !)
> > > > 
> > > > I don't think having a webex will be that practical with the timezones
> > > > involved. I'm trying to get approval to go to Plumbers in which case we
> > > > could setup a BOF but I have no guarantee at this point that I can make
> > > > it happen.
> > > > 
> > > > So let's try using email as much possible for now.
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Ben.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-20 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-08-13 16:51 [PATCH 0/1] PCI/AER: prevent pcie_do_fatal_recovery from using device after it is removed Thomas Tai
2018-08-13 16:51 ` [PATCH 1/1] " Thomas Tai
2018-08-14  9:16   ` poza
2018-08-14  9:22     ` poza
2018-08-14 13:51       ` Thomas Tai
2018-08-15 14:57         ` poza
2018-08-15 15:02           ` Thomas Tai
2018-08-15 15:26             ` poza
2018-08-15 15:43               ` Thomas Tai
2018-08-15 15:59                 ` poza
2018-08-15 16:04                   ` Thomas Tai
2018-08-15 21:55       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-15 21:56       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16  6:36         ` poza
2018-08-16  6:51           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16  6:59             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16  8:07               ` poza
2018-08-16  8:12                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16  9:03                   ` poza
2018-08-16 10:07                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16 14:11                       ` poza
2018-08-16 23:30                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-17 10:29                           ` poza
2018-08-17 10:44                             ` poza
2018-08-18  7:38                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16  7:05             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16  7:15               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16  7:56                 ` poza
2018-08-16  8:10                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16  8:05               ` poza
2018-08-16  8:15                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16  8:22                   ` poza
2018-08-16  8:28                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-16 13:30                       ` Thomas Tai
2018-08-16 13:46                     ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-16 23:27                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-17  6:35                         ` poza
2018-08-19  2:24                         ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-08-20  5:09                           ` poza
2018-08-20  5:15                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20 13:02                               ` Thomas Tai
2018-08-20 13:27                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-19  2:19               ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-08-19 21:41                 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-20  2:03                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20  5:19                     ` poza
2018-08-20  5:33                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20  7:56                         ` poza
2018-08-20 11:22                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20 13:26                             ` poza
2018-08-20 21:02                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2018-08-21  5:14                                 ` poza
2018-08-21  6:06                                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-21 14:37                                     ` Keith Busch
2018-08-21 15:07                                       ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-21 15:29                                         ` Keith Busch
2018-08-21 15:50                                           ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-21 15:55                                             ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-21 16:44                                             ` Keith Busch
2018-08-21 15:30                                       ` poza
2018-08-21 21:14                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-21 22:04                                         ` Keith Busch
2018-08-21 22:33                                           ` Keith Busch
2018-08-21 23:06                                           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-21 23:13                                             ` Keith Busch
2018-08-22  0:36                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-30  0:01                                             ` Keith Busch
2018-08-30  0:10                                               ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-30  0:46                                                 ` Keith Busch
2018-08-30  4:26                                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20 15:53                             ` Keith Busch
2018-08-20 16:13                               ` poza
2018-08-20 16:32                                 ` Keith Busch
2018-08-20 21:05                               ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20 21:21                                 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-20 21:35                                   ` Keith Busch
2018-08-20 21:53                                     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20 22:02                                       ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-20 22:04                                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20 22:13                                           ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-20 22:19                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-22  9:13                                             ` Lukas Wunner
2018-08-22 14:38                                               ` Keith Busch
2018-08-22 14:51                                                 ` Sinan Kaya
2018-08-20 22:13                                           ` Keith Busch
2018-08-20 22:19                                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-21  1:30                                               ` Keith Busch
2018-08-20  4:37                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-20  4:39                 ` PATCH] Partial revert of "PCI/AER: Handle ERR_FATAL with removal and re-enumeration of devices" Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2018-08-21 19:50                   ` Bjorn Helgaas
2018-08-22  4:35                     ` poza

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