From: "David E. Box" <david.e.box@linux.intel.com>
To: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rafael@kernel.org>,
Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
Cc: "Jingar, Rajvi" <rajvi.jingar@intel.com>,
"Wysocki, Rafael J" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>,
Linux PCI <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux PM <linux-pm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 2/2] PCI/PM: Fix pci_pm_suspend_noirq() to disable PTM
Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 11:05:48 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <92f32b4703091acb0aaf3f784be448d469e9e2fa.camel@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJZ5v0iNaAd=yP3DgDVVpffKU6kt+nSpPeqxWJyRddaX5K4FRA@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, 2022-05-17 at 16:54 +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 4:48 PM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:59:32PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 10:09 PM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 10:00:48PM +0000, Jingar, Rajvi wrote:
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2022 11:36 AM
> > > > > > To: Rafael J. Wysocki <rafael@kernel.org>
> > > > > > Cc: Jingar, Rajvi <rajvi.jingar@intel.com>; Wysocki, Rafael J
> > > > > > <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>; Bjorn Helgaas <bhelgaas@google.com>;
> > > > > > David Box
> > > > > > <david.e.box@linux.intel.com>; Linux PCI <linux-pci@vger.kernel.org>;
> > > > > > Linux
> > > > > > Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>; Linux PM <linux-
> > > > > > pm@vger.kernel.org>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 2/2] PCI/PM: Fix pci_pm_suspend_noirq() to
> > > > > > disable PTM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 07:52:36PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 7:42 PM Bjorn Helgaas <helgaas@kernel.org>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thu, May 12, 2022 at 03:49:18PM +0200, Rafael J. Wysocki wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Something like this should suffice IMV:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > if (!dev_state_saved || pci_dev->current_state != PCI_D3cold)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > pci_disable_ptm(pci_dev);
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > It makes sense to me that we needn't disable PTM if the device is
> > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > D3cold. But the "!dev_state_saved" condition depends on what the
> > > > > > > > driver did. Why is that important? Why should we not do the
> > > > > > > > following?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > if (pci_dev->current_state != PCI_D3cold)
> > > > > > > > pci_disable_ptm(pci_dev);
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We can do this too. I thought we could skip the power state
> > > > > > > check if dev_state_saved was unset, because then we would know
> > > > > > > that the power state was not D3cold. It probably isn't worth
> > > > > > > the hassle though.
> > > > >
> > > > > We see issue with certain platforms where only checking if device
> > > > > power state in D3Cold is not enough and the !dev_state_saved check
> > > > > is needed when disabling PTM. Device like nvme is relying on ASPM,
> > > > > it stays in D0 but state is saved. Touching the config space wakes
> > > > > up the device which prevents the system from entering into low power
> > > > > state.
> > > >
> > > > Correct me if I'm wrong: for NVMe devices, nvme_suspend() has already
> > > > saved state and put the device in some low-power state. Disabling PTM
> > > > here is functionally OK but prevents a system low power state, so you
> > > > want to leave PTM enabled.
> > > >
> > > > But I must be missing something because pci_prepare_to_sleep()
> > > > currently disables PTM for Root Ports. If we leave PTM enabled on
> > > > NVMe but disable it on the Root Port above it, any PTM Request from
> > > > NVMe will cause an Unsupported Request error.
> > > >
> > > > Disabling PTM must be coordinated across PTM Requesters and PTM
> > > > Responders. That means the decision to disable cannot depend on
> > > > driver-specific things like whether the driver has saved state.
> > >
> > > Setting state_saved generally informs pci_pm_suspend_noirq() that the
> > > device has already been handled and it doesn't need to do anything to
> > > it.
> > >
> > > But you are right that PTM should be disabled on downstream devices as
> > > well as on the ports that those devices are connected to and it can be
> > > done even if the given device has already been handled, so the
> > > state_saved value is technically irrelevant.
> > >
> > > That's why I suggested to check if the power state is between D0 and
> > > D3cold (exclusive) and only disable PTM if that is the case. It is
> > > pointless to disable PTM for devices in D3cold and it may be harmful
> > > for devices that are left in D0.
> >
> > "... it may be harmful for devices that are left in D0" -- I want to
> > understand this better. It sounds like nvme_suspend() leaves the
> > device in some device-specific low-power flavor of D0, and subsequent
> > config accesses take it out of that low-power situation?
>
This is exactly what we see. It's not all machines, but in our lab we've seen in
it on 3 production systems out of about 20. And they were all different
generations, a 7th, 8th, and 10th gen.
nvme_suspend is relying on NVMe APST / PCIe ASPM to put the device in a low
power state. The link state will be L1 or deeper while the device remains in D0.
https://nvmexpress.org/resources/nvm-express-technology-features/nvme-technology-power-features/
> That's my understanding of it.
>
> > If that's the case, it sounds a little brittle. I don't think it's
> > obvious that "pci_dev->state_saved was set by the driver" means "no
> > config accesses allowed in pci_pm_suspend_noirq()."
>
> Well, yes and no. The device may be in D3cold then, so
> pci_pm_suspend_noirq() should at least check that before accessing its
> config space.
>
> > And pci_pm_suspend_noirq() calls quirks via pci_fixup_device(), which are
> > very likely to do config accesses.
> >
> > Maybe PTM needs to be disabled earlier, e.g., in pci_pm_suspend()? I
> > don't think PTM uses any interrupts, so there's probably no reason
> > interrupts need to be disabled before disabling PTM.
>
> That certainly is worth investigation. For one, I don't see any
> obvious downsides of doing so.
We will look at this.
David
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-05-17 18:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20220429210538.2270472-1-rajvi.jingar@intel.com>
[not found] ` <20220429210538.2270472-2-rajvi.jingar@intel.com>
2022-05-12 13:49 ` [PATCH v5 2/2] PCI/PM: Fix pci_pm_suspend_noirq() to disable PTM Rafael J. Wysocki
2022-05-12 17:42 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-12 17:52 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2022-05-12 18:35 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-13 22:00 ` Jingar, Rajvi
2022-05-14 17:12 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2022-05-16 20:09 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-16 20:59 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2022-05-17 14:48 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-17 14:54 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2022-05-17 18:05 ` David E. Box [this message]
2022-05-19 19:01 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2022-05-23 18:32 ` Bjorn Helgaas
2022-05-23 19:02 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=92f32b4703091acb0aaf3f784be448d469e9e2fa.camel@linux.intel.com \
--to=david.e.box@linux.intel.com \
--cc=bhelgaas@google.com \
--cc=helgaas@kernel.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-pci@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-pm@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com \
--cc=rafael@kernel.org \
--cc=rajvi.jingar@intel.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).