From: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Daniel Wang <wonderfly@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.com>, Peter Feiner <pfeiner@google.com>,
linux-serial@vger.kernel.org,
Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 20/25] serial: 8250: implement write_atomic
Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2019 11:32:05 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zhqhed3u.fsf@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190227094655.ecdwhsc2bf5spkqx@pathway.suse.cz> (Petr Mladek's message of "Wed, 27 Feb 2019 10:46:55 +0100")
On 2019-02-27, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
>> Implement a non-sleeping NMI-safe write_atomic console function in
>> order to support emergency printk messages.
>
> It uses console_atomic_lock() added in 18th patch. That one uses
> prb_lock() added by 2nd patch.
>
> Now, prb_lock() allows recursion on the same CPU. But it still needs
> to wait until it is released on another CPU.
>
> [...]
>
> OK, it would be safe when prb_lock() is the only lock taken
> in the NMI handler.
Which is the case. As I wrote to you already [0], NMI contexts are
_never_ allowed to do things that rely on waiting forever for other
CPUs. I could not find any instances where that is the
case. nmi_cpu_backtrace() used to do this, but it does not anymore.
> But printk() should not make such limitation
> to the rest of the system.
That is something we have to decide. It is the one factor that makes
prb_lock() feel a hell of a lot like BKL.
> Not to say, that we would most
> likely need to add a lock back into nmi_cpu_backtrace()
> to keep the output sane.
No. That is why CPU-IDs were added to the output. It is quite sane and
easy to read.
> Peter Zijlstra several times talked about fully lockless
> consoles. He is using the early console for debugging, see
> the patchset
> https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20170928121823.430053219@infradead.org
That is an interesting thread to quote. In that thread Peter actually
wrote the exact implementation of prb_lock() as the method to
synchronize access to the serial console.
> I am not sure if it is always possible. I personally see
> the following way:
>
> 1. Make the printk ring buffer fully lockless. Then we reduce
> the problem only to console locking. And we could
> have a per-console-driver lock (no the big lock like
> prb_lock()).
A fully lockless ring buffer is an option. But as you said, it only
reduces the window, which is why I decided it is not so important (at
least for now). Creating a per-console-driver lock would probably be a
good idea anyway as long as we can guarantee the ordering (which
shouldn't be a problem as long as emergency console ordering remains
fixed and emergency writers always follow that ordering).
> 2. I am afraid that we need to add some locking between CPUs
> to avoid mixing characters from directly printed messages.
That is exactly what console_atomic_lock() (actually prb_lock) is!
John Ogness
[0] https://lkml.kernel.org/r/87pnrvs707.fsf@linutronix.de
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-02-27 10:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-02-12 14:29 [RFC PATCH v1 00/25] printk: new implementation John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/25] printk-rb: add printk ring buffer documentation John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:45 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/25] printk-rb: add prb locking functions John Ogness
2019-02-13 15:45 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-13 21:39 ` John Ogness
2019-02-14 10:33 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-14 12:10 ` John Ogness
2019-02-15 10:26 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-15 10:56 ` John Ogness
2019-03-07 2:12 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/25] printk-rb: define ring buffer struct and initializer John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:46 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-02-14 12:46 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/25] printk-rb: add writer interface John Ogness
2019-02-14 15:16 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-14 23:36 ` John Ogness
2019-02-15 1:19 ` John Ogness
2019-02-15 13:47 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-17 1:32 ` John Ogness
2019-02-21 13:51 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/25] printk-rb: add basic non-blocking reading interface John Ogness
2019-02-18 12:54 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-19 21:44 ` John Ogness
2019-02-21 16:22 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/25] printk-rb: add blocking reader support John Ogness
2019-02-18 14:05 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-19 21:47 ` John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/25] printk-rb: add functionality required by printk John Ogness
2019-02-12 17:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-13 9:20 ` John Ogness
2019-02-18 15:59 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-19 22:08 ` John Ogness
2019-02-22 9:58 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/25] printk: add ring buffer and kthread John Ogness
2019-02-12 15:47 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-19 13:54 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-04 7:38 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-04 10:00 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-04 11:07 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-05 21:00 ` John Ogness
2019-03-06 15:57 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-06 21:17 ` John Ogness
2019-03-06 22:22 ` John Ogness
2019-03-07 6:41 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-07 6:51 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-07 12:50 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-07 5:15 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-11 10:51 ` John Ogness
2019-03-12 9:58 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-12 10:30 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-07 12:06 ` John Ogness
2019-03-08 1:31 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-08 10:04 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/25] printk: remove exclusive console hack John Ogness
2019-02-19 14:03 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/25] printk: redirect emit/store to new ringbuffer John Ogness
2019-02-20 9:01 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-20 21:25 ` John Ogness
2019-02-22 14:43 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-22 15:06 ` John Ogness
2019-02-22 15:25 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-25 12:11 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-25 16:41 ` John Ogness
2019-02-26 9:45 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/25] printk_safe: remove printk safe code John Ogness
2019-02-22 10:37 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-22 13:38 ` John Ogness
2019-02-22 15:15 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 12/25] printk: minimize console locking implementation John Ogness
2019-02-25 13:44 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 13/25] printk: track seq per console John Ogness
2019-02-25 14:59 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-26 8:45 ` John Ogness
2019-02-26 13:11 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 14/25] printk: do boot_delay_msec inside printk_delay John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 15/25] printk: print history for new consoles John Ogness
2019-02-26 14:58 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-26 15:22 ` John Ogness
2019-02-27 9:02 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-27 10:02 ` John Ogness
2019-02-27 13:12 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-04 9:24 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 16/25] printk: implement CON_PRINTBUFFER John Ogness
2019-02-26 15:38 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 17/25] printk: add processor number to output John Ogness
2019-02-13 22:29 ` John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 18/25] console: add write_atomic interface John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 19/25] printk: introduce emergency messages John Ogness
2019-03-07 7:30 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-08 10:31 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-11 12:04 ` John Ogness
2019-03-12 2:51 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-12 2:58 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 20/25] serial: 8250: implement write_atomic John Ogness
2019-02-27 9:46 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-27 10:32 ` John Ogness [this message]
2019-02-27 13:55 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-08 4:05 ` John Ogness
2019-03-08 4:17 ` John Ogness
2019-03-08 10:28 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 21/25] printk: implement KERN_CONT John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH v1 22/25] printk: implement /dev/kmsg John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH v1 23/25] printk: implement syslog John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH v1 24/25] printk: implement kmsg_dump John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH v1 25/25] printk: remove unused code John Ogness
2019-03-08 14:02 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-03-11 2:46 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-11 8:18 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-03-12 9:38 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-13 1:31 ` [RFC PATCH v1 00/25] printk: new implementation Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-13 13:43 ` John Ogness
2019-03-04 6:39 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-13 1:41 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-13 14:15 ` John Ogness
2019-03-04 5:31 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-13 2:55 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-13 14:43 ` John Ogness
2019-03-04 5:23 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-07 9:53 ` John Ogness
2019-03-08 10:00 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-11 10:54 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-12 12:38 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-12 15:15 ` John Ogness
2019-03-13 2:15 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-13 8:19 ` John Ogness
2019-03-13 8:40 ` Sebastian Siewior
2019-03-13 9:27 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-13 10:06 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-14 9:27 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-13 8:46 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-14 9:14 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-14 9:35 ` John Ogness
2019-03-13 2:00 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-13 16:54 ` David Laight
2019-02-13 22:20 ` John Ogness
2020-01-20 23:05 ` Eugeniu Rosca
2020-01-21 23:56 ` John Ogness
2020-01-22 2:34 ` Eugeniu Rosca
2020-01-22 7:31 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-01-22 16:58 ` Eugeniu Rosca
2020-01-22 19:48 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-01-24 16:09 ` Eugeniu Rosca
2020-01-27 12:32 ` Petr Mladek
2020-01-27 13:45 ` Eugeniu Rosca
2020-01-22 10:33 ` John Ogness
2020-01-24 12:13 ` Eugeniu Rosca
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