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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: "Bradley M. Kuhn" <bkuhn@ebb.org>
Cc: Richard Fontana <rfontana@redhat.com>, linux-spdx@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Meta-question on GPL compliance of this activity
Date: Wed, 22 May 2019 11:40:07 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1905221129350.1637@nanos.tec.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190521210833.veltn74dcgic5zmw@ebb.org>

On Tue, 21 May 2019, Bradley M. Kuhn wrote:
> Richard Fontana wrote:
> > I have recently heard the argument that replacing a more or less standard
> > old-school GNU license notice, or any sort of nonstandard pre-SPDX
> > alternative human-oriented notice, with an SPDX license identifier string,
> > without explicit permission from the copyright holder, complies with this
> > condition, because in substance the SPDX string embodies equivalent
> > licensing information (and has benefits of its own over the old-school
> > notice). However, more conservative interpreters of GPLv2, including some
> > copyright holders, might argue otherwise.
> 
> I think we do have to worry about more conservative interpreters, esp. given
> that copyright holders are not giving their consent for these notice changes.
> 
> There was consensus at the meeting in Barcelona that moving all the notices
> to a single file to live inside the Linux tree "somewhere" with entries like:
> 
>    Filenames: a.c, b.c, c.c contained this notice:
>             NOTICE
>       which was replaced with SPDX_IDENTIFIER on DATE.
> 
> and that such was a fine and acceptable way to address even the most
> disagreeable and litigious conservative interpreters, and that such
> was a necessary step to avoid compliance infractions on this issue.

The only issue with that are the filenames. They tend to change by renames,
moves etc. And we know from other stuff (e.g. Documentation) that nobody
ever cares about updating these things.

> Related to this, Allison noted on May 8th on this list:
> >> Are you [Thomas] automatically logging which files were modified by each
> >> pattern match, for the legally conservative hack we talked about,
> >> preserving a historical record of altered license notices in a doc file?
> 
> IIUC, Thomas indicated in that thread that he could generate that information
> later, but given that we already have consensus on the idea, it seems to me
> it would be better if the patches themselves contained the moving of the
> notice text from the individual files into the single file, rather than
> reconstructing it on the back-end.  Richard, what do you think about that?

It's not too late to do that. Though, can we please avoid having all the
explicit patterns and use one 'normalized' pattern instead, i.e. something
more readable than the normalized pattern which we use in the changelog
right now. The point is that if I just take a single patch which matches
100 files with the normalized pattern, then I'd end up with at least 50
variants due to formatting (comment style, line breaks, whitespace, ...),
which is not really helpful either.

Thinking about the volatile nature of filenames, we could be smart about
that and provide a generator for that 'documentation'. Git allows me to
follow the renames and moves and extract the exact point where the
boilerplate/reference was replaced. That way the information can be
retrieved on demand and does not get subject to bitrot. Arguably the
information is still in place, right?

Thanks,

	tglx




  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-22  9:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-06-06 19:58 [Batch 1 - patch 12/25] treewide: Replace GPLv2 boilerplate/reference with SPDX - gpl-2.0_208.RULE Thomas Gleixner
2019-05-21 17:58 ` Meta-question on GPL compliance of this activity Richard Fontana
2019-05-21 18:59   ` J Lovejoy
2019-05-21 21:08   ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2019-05-22  9:40     ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2019-05-22 13:30     ` Greg KH
2019-05-23  4:41       ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2019-05-23  5:42         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-05-22 16:14     ` J Lovejoy
2019-05-22 21:10       ` John Sullivan
2019-05-23  1:19         ` J Lovejoy
2019-05-23  6:06           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-05-29 20:57           ` John Sullivan
2019-05-29 21:30             ` Greg KH
2019-06-01  3:22               ` John Sullivan
2019-06-01  9:31                 ` Greg KH
2019-06-01  4:21               ` Richard Fontana
2019-05-24  4:33       ` Richard Fontana
2019-05-24  5:20         ` Greg KH
2019-05-24 20:24           ` Allison Randal
2019-05-25  1:07             ` Richard Fontana
2019-05-27 21:23               ` Allison Randal
2019-05-25 16:56             ` Greg KH
2019-05-27 21:54               ` Allison Randal
2019-05-28  7:21                 ` Dominik Brodowski
2019-05-22 13:27   ` Greg KH
2019-05-22 14:16     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-05-22 16:33       ` J Lovejoy
2019-05-22 16:52         ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-05-22 17:00           ` J Lovejoy
2022-06-06 20:11 ` [Batch 1 - patch 12/25] treewide: Replace GPLv2 boilerplate/reference with SPDX - gpl-2.0_208.RULE Richard Fontana
2022-06-06 20:17   ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-06-07 18:12     ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2022-06-07 23:05       ` Thomas Gleixner
2022-06-08  8:33         ` Allison Randal
2022-06-08 14:04           ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2022-06-08 14:59             ` Allison Randal
2022-06-08 17:18               ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2022-06-08 18:54                 ` Richard Fontana
2022-06-08 19:29                   ` Bradley M. Kuhn
     [not found]                     ` <02f4021f-63a5-4796-d790-2bacd37b90d2@jilayne.com>
2022-06-09  0:31                       ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2022-06-09  4:51                         ` J Lovejoy
2022-06-09 15:03                           ` Bradley M. Kuhn
2022-06-09  2:35                       ` Richard Fontana
2022-06-06 20:31   ` Bradley M. Kuhn

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