From: Andrzej Pietrasiewicz <andrzej.p-ZGY8ohtN/8qB+jHODAdFcQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Dmitry Torokhov
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Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 0/7] Support inhibiting input devices
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 20:50:07 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <82e9f2ab-a16e-51ee-1413-bedf0122026a@collabora.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200602175241.GO89269@dtor-ws>
Hi Dmitry,
W dniu 02.06.2020 o 19:52, Dmitry Torokhov pisze:
> Hi Andrzej,
>
> On Tue, Jun 02, 2020 at 06:56:40PM +0200, Andrzej Pietrasiewicz wrote:
>> Hi Dmitry,
>>
>> W dniu 27.05.2020 o 08:34, Dmitry Torokhov pisze:
>>> That said, I think the way we should handle inhibit/uninhibit, is that
>>> if we have the callback defined, then we call it, and only call open and
>>> close if uninhibit or inhibit are _not_ defined.
>>>
>>
>> If I understand you correctly you suggest to call either inhibit,
>> if provided or close, if inhibit is not provided, but not both,
>> that is, if both are provided then on the inhibit path only
>> inhibit is called. And, consequently, you suggest to call either
>> uninhibit or open, but not both. The rest of my mail makes this
>> assumption, so kindly confirm if I understand you correctly.
>
> Yes, that is correct. If a driver wants really fine-grained control, it
> will provide inhibit (or both inhibit and close), otherwise it will rely
> on close in place of inhibit.
>
>>
>> In my opinion this idea will not work.
>>
>> The first question is should we be able to inhibit a device
>> which is not opened? In my opinion we should, in order to be
>> able to inhibit a device in anticipation without needing to
>> open it first.
>
> I agree.
>
>>
>> Then what does opening (with input_open_device()) an inhibited
>> device mean? Should it succeed or should it fail?
>
> It should succeed.
>
>> If it is not
>> the first opening then effectively it boils down to increasing
>> device's and handle's counters, so we can allow it to succeed.
>> If, however, the device is being opened for the first time,
>> the ->open() method wants to be called, but that somehow
>> contradicts the device's inhibited state. So a logical thing
>> to do is to either fail input_open_device() or postpone ->open()
>> invocation to the moment of uninhibiting - and the latter is
>> what the patches in this series currently do.
>>
>> Failing input_open_device() because of the inhibited state is
>> not the right thing to do. Let me explain. Suppose that a device
>> is already inhibited and then a new matching handler appears
>> in the system. Most handlers (apm-power.c, evbug.c, input-leds.c,
>> mac_hid.c, sysrq.c, vt/keyboard.c and rfkill/input.c) don't create
>> any character devices (only evdev.c, joydev.c and mousedev.c do),
>> so for them it makes no sense to delay calling input_open_device()
>> and it is called in handler's ->connect(). If input_open_device()
>> now fails, we have lost the only chance for this ->connect() to
>> succeed.
>>
>> Summarizing, IMO the uninhibit path should be calling both
>> ->open() and ->uninhibit() (if provided), and conversely, the inhibit
>> path should be calling both ->inhibit() and ->close() (if provided).
>
> So what you are trying to say is that you see inhibit as something that
> is done in addition to what happens in close. But what exactly do you
> want to do in inhibit, in addition to what close is doing?
See below (*).
>
> In my view, if we want to have a dedicated inhibit callback, then it
> will do everything that close does, they both are aware of each other
> and can sort out the state transitions between them. For drivers that do
> not have dedicated inhibit/uninhibit, we can use open and close
> handlers, and have input core sort out when each should be called. That
> means that we should not call dev->open() in input_open_device() when
> device is inhibited (and same for dev->close() in input_close_device).
> And when uninhibiting, we should not call dev->open() when there are no
> users for the device, and no dev->close() when inhibiting with no users.
>
> Do you see any problems with this approach?
My concern is that if e.g. both ->open() and ->uninhibit() are provided,
then in certain circumstances ->open() won't be called:
1. users == 0
2. inhibit happens
3. input_open_device() happens, ->open() not called
4. uninhibit happens
5. as part of uninhibit ->uninhibit() is only called, but ->open() is not.
They way I understand your answer is that we implicitly impose requirements
on drivers which choose to implement e.g. both ->open() and ->uninhibit():
in such a case ->uninhibit() should be doing exactly the same things as
->open() does. Which leads to a conclusion that in practice no drivers
should choose to implement both, otherwise they must be aware that
->uninhibit() can be sometimes called instead of ->open(). Then ->open()
becomes synonymous with ->uninhibit(), and ->close() with ->inhibit().
Or, maybe, then ->inhibit() can be a superset of ->close() and
->uninhibit() a superset of ->open().
If such an approach is ok with you, it is ok with me, too.
(*)
Calling both ->inhibit() and ->close() (if they are provided) allows
drivers to go fancy and fail inhibiting (which is impossible using
only ->close() as it does not return a value, but ->inhibit() by design
does). Then ->uninhibit() is mostly for symmetry.
Regards,
Andrzej
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-06-02 18:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <20200506002746.GB89269@dtor-ws>
2020-05-15 16:49 ` [PATCHv2 0/7] Support inhibiting input devices Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
[not found] ` <20200515164943.28480-1-andrzej.p-ZGY8ohtN/8qB+jHODAdFcQ@public.gmane.org>
2020-05-15 16:51 ` [PATCHv2 1/7] Input: add input_device_enabled() Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-05-15 16:51 ` [PATCHv2 2/7] Input: use input_device_enabled() Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-05-15 16:52 ` [PATCHv2 6/7] Input: Add "inhibited" property Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-05-15 18:19 ` [PATCHv2 0/7] Support inhibiting input devices Hans de Goede
[not found] ` <842b95bb-8391-5806-fe65-be64b02de122-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2020-05-17 22:55 ` Peter Hutterer
2020-05-18 2:40 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-05-18 7:36 ` Hans de Goede
2020-05-22 15:35 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-05-27 6:13 ` Peter Hutterer
2020-05-18 10:48 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
[not found] ` <e6030957-97dc-5b04-7855-bc14a78164c8-ZGY8ohtN/8qB+jHODAdFcQ@public.gmane.org>
2020-05-18 12:24 ` Hans de Goede
2020-05-18 13:49 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-05-18 14:23 ` Hans de Goede
2020-05-19 9:02 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-05-19 9:36 ` Hans de Goede
[not found] ` <aa2ce2ab-e5bc-9cb4-8b53-c1ef9348b646-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2020-05-27 6:34 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-02 16:56 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-02 17:52 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-02 18:50 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz [this message]
2020-06-02 20:19 ` Hans de Goede
[not found] ` <8f97d2e1-497a-495d-bc82-f46dbeba440c-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2020-06-03 13:07 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-03 17:38 ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-03 17:54 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-03 19:37 ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-04 7:28 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-05 17:33 ` [PATCH v3 " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-05 17:33 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] ACPI: button: Access input device's users under appropriate mutex Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-05 17:33 ` [PATCH v3 5/7] iio: adc: exynos: Use input_device_enabled() Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
[not found] ` <20200605173335.13753-6-andrzej.p-ZGY8ohtN/8qB+jHODAdFcQ@public.gmane.org>
2020-06-05 19:49 ` Michał Mirosław
[not found] ` <20200605173335.13753-1-andrzej.p-ZGY8ohtN/8qB+jHODAdFcQ@public.gmane.org>
2020-06-05 17:33 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] Input: add input_device_enabled() Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-05 17:33 ` [PATCH v3 2/7] Input: use input_device_enabled() Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-05 17:33 ` [PATCH v3 4/7] ACPI: button: Use input_device_enabled() helper Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-05 17:33 ` [PATCH v3 6/7] platform/x86: thinkpad_acpi: Use input_device_enabled() Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-07 20:24 ` [PATCH v3 0/7] Support inhibiting input devices Pavel Machek
2020-06-08 5:37 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-08 9:28 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-05 17:33 ` [PATCH v3 7/7] Input: Add "inhibited" property Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-05 17:41 ` Hans de Goede
[not found] ` <2336e15d-ff4b-bbb6-c701-dbf3aa110fcd-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2020-06-08 11:22 ` [PATCH v4 0/7] Support inhibiting input devices Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-08 11:22 ` [PATCH v4 1/7] Input: add input_device_enabled() Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-12-03 6:25 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-08 11:22 ` [PATCH v4 2/7] Input: use input_device_enabled() Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-12-03 6:26 ` Dmitry Torokhov
[not found] ` <CGME20201207133237eucas1p26f8484944760a14e51dc7353ed33cd28@eucas1p2.samsung.com>
2020-12-07 13:32 ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-12-07 15:50 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-12-08 10:05 ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-12-09 6:37 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-12-11 7:09 ` [PATCH] Input: cyapa - do not call input_device_enabled from power mode handler Dmitry Torokhov
2020-12-11 8:22 ` Marek Szyprowski
2020-12-11 8:31 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-08 11:22 ` [PATCH v4 3/7] ACPI: button: Access input device's users under appropriate mutex Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-24 15:00 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-06-25 5:23 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-25 10:55 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-10-05 5:08 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-08 11:22 ` [PATCH v4 4/7] ACPI: button: Use input_device_enabled() helper Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-25 5:24 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-10-05 5:06 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-08 11:22 ` [PATCH v4 5/7] iio: adc: exynos: Use input_device_enabled() Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
[not found] ` <20200608112211.12125-6-andrzej.p-ZGY8ohtN/8qB+jHODAdFcQ@public.gmane.org>
2020-06-10 1:28 ` Michał Mirosław
2020-06-10 7:52 ` [FIXED PATCH " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-08 11:22 ` [PATCH v4 6/7] platform/x86: thinkpad_acpi: " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-08 11:22 ` [PATCH v4 7/7] Input: Add "inhibited" property Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-10-05 18:10 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-10-06 13:04 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-10-07 1:11 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-10-07 1:12 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-12-03 6:26 ` Dmitry Torokhov
[not found] ` <20200608112211.12125-1-andrzej.p-ZGY8ohtN/8qB+jHODAdFcQ@public.gmane.org>
2020-06-10 9:49 ` [PATCH v4 0/7] Support inhibiting input devices Hans de Goede
2020-06-10 10:38 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
[not found] ` <CAJZ5v0hB2ra2K=dd9ZjVyy1V2b1PmFHm79uDO2HtHU1D_4YUbw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2020-06-10 13:12 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-10 13:21 ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-10 13:41 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
[not found] ` <2d5fd063-66bc-c707-4041-84a17c0a7d04-ZGY8ohtN/8qB+jHODAdFcQ@public.gmane.org>
2020-06-12 8:30 ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-12 8:47 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-16 17:29 ` [PATCH] Input: document inhibiting Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
2020-06-16 17:38 ` Randy Dunlap
[not found] ` <20200616172909.21625-1-andrzej.p-ZGY8ohtN/8qB+jHODAdFcQ@public.gmane.org>
2020-06-17 7:44 ` Hans de Goede
[not found] ` <f9007f37-c526-5fa4-3188-a554d2434177-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2020-06-17 10:18 ` [PATCH v2] " Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
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2020-06-17 10:21 ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-17 16:52 ` Randy Dunlap
2020-06-23 13:35 ` Pavel Machek
2020-12-03 6:27 ` Dmitry Torokhov
[not found] ` <3e61c9c1-b211-da9f-c55b-b44eb6522f2a-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2020-06-10 14:01 ` [PATCH v4 0/7] Support inhibiting input devices Rafael J. Wysocki
2020-06-10 13:52 ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-10 18:28 ` Dmitry Torokhov
2020-06-12 8:14 ` Hans de Goede
2020-06-12 8:17 ` Hans de Goede
2020-08-03 14:40 ` Andrzej Pietrasiewicz
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