From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264336AbTDXAUD (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:20:03 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264352AbTDXAUC (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:20:02 -0400 Received: from c-180372d5.012-136-6c756e2.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se ([213.114.3.24]:60421 "EHLO pomac.netswarm.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264336AbTDXATw (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 20:19:52 -0400 Subject: Re: [Bug 623] New: Volume not remembered. From: Ian Kumlien To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Cc: "Martin J. Bligh" Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-QO9U2mNcwJrQCW2FO4as" Organization: Message-Id: <1051144315.2199.22.camel@big.pomac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4 Date: 24 Apr 2003 02:31:56 +0200 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org --=-QO9U2mNcwJrQCW2FO4as Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 24 Apr 2003 00:30:16 +0200, Martin J. Bligh wrote: >> Yes, but that's a user space problem too. Nothing prevents your >> distribution to crank up the volume to 100% also on a first-time >> installation. >=20 > 100% would be stupid too. If the distro can pick a reasonable value, the > kernel can too. Thus the argument "push the problem into userspace" > doesn't do anything for me. 100% isn't good. F.ex. emu10k1 cards would lead to more bugreports since you get clipping with that volume. >> The kernel should pick a value that's safe in all cases. And this is >> zero. Don't forget that there can be several seconds between the >> driver's initialization and the moment when the user-space utility gets >> to change the settings. >=20 > So if people want 0 volume for some reason, they can set *that* in > userspace. Windows can manage to do this without cocking it up. I don't > see why we can't achieve it. Which is stupid, since you need it zero before it can get to userspace. (see the examples) And i know windows users who hates windows soundcontrol since it plays a lame sound at boot up and you can't lower the volume there (yes, easy workaround, but the same thing). But, imho: PCM should not be 0, Setting main volume to 0 is good, but seeing the common user getting there might be a problem. Imagine: Joe User installs Joe-Distro and starts xmms, now, with the default config you change the 'master' volume but pcm is still 0. This is something that will/could/might/etc cause reports like that. Problem is, emu10k1 is good somewhere on the lines of 90% when it comes to pcm... I dunno if other cards has simular issues. Change PCM (and simular) if anything, changing master will only cause problems, as seen. CC, since I'm not on this ml. --=20 Ian Kumlien --=-QO9U2mNcwJrQCW2FO4as Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+pzB77F3Euyc51N8RAiBIAJ9GpEevQqisaD1sKNM6agNiY/EZRgCfRl87 1IpIaj1K7VL2uKy9n4Fiz9k= =oU6S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-QO9U2mNcwJrQCW2FO4as--