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From: Matthew Reppert <repp0017@tc.umn.edu>
To: Bob <recbo@nishanet.com>
Cc: linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, witukind@nsbm.kicks-ass.org
Subject: Re: udev sysfs docs Re: State of devfs in 2.6?
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 01:39:56 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1070955596.25311.19.camel@minerva> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3FD577E7.9040809@nishanet.com>

On Tue, 2003-12-09 at 01:21, Bob wrote:
> Witukind wrote:
> 
> >From the udev FAQ:
> >
> >Q: But udev will not automatically load a driver if a /dev node is opened
> >   when it is not present like devfs will do.
> >A: If you really require this functionality, then use devfs.  It is still
> >   present in the kernel.
> >
> >Will it have this 'equivalent functionality' some day?
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> Shouldn't hotplug handle it?

How would hotplug handle it?

Or, more directly ... on my system, /dev is just a normal directory
on an ext2 filesystem. If something tries to open a file on it that
doesn't exist, open will just return ENOENT. How is open supposed to
know that someone is trying to open a device node? The naive solution
is to conditionally check for the presence of "/dev" at the beginning
of all requested filenames that don't exist, which strikes me as ...
well, not necessarily a good idea. (I can't really say why beyond gut
feeling.)

My guess is, unfortunately, udev probably won't handle this any time
soon. (Or, if it does, through some possibly clever mechanism that, as
someone unfamiliar with the relevant bits of the system, I can't see.)
I'd be interested in a solution to this, mostly out of curiosity since
it seems like it might be interesting, but I don't see a nice one coming
easily. I wouldn't mind someone more clueful telling me I'm wrong,
though. At the least, it means more people being receptive to moving
to udev.

Matt


  reply	other threads:[~2003-12-09  7:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-12-08 15:36 State of devfs in 2.6? Andrew Walrond
2003-12-08 15:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-12-08 15:59   ` Andrew Walrond
2003-12-08 23:38     ` Greg KH
2003-12-09 10:37       ` Andrew Walrond
2003-12-09 10:57         ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-09 12:54         ` Paul P Komkoff Jr
2003-12-09  5:04     ` Rob Landley
2003-12-08 19:09   ` udev sysfs docs " Bob
2003-12-08 23:37     ` Greg KH
2003-12-09  5:17       ` Witukind
2003-12-09  7:21         ` Bob
2003-12-09  7:39           ` Matthew Reppert [this message]
2003-12-09  8:52             ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-09  9:16             ` Greg KH
2003-12-09  9:45               ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-09  9:18           ` Greg KH
2003-12-09  9:46           ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-12-09 10:25             ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-09 15:28               ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-12-09 20:16               ` Oliver Hunt
2003-12-09 20:53                 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-09 22:14                   ` Olaf Hering
2003-12-09 22:46                   ` Oliver Hunt
2003-12-09 23:03                     ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-09  7:56         ` Greg KH
2003-12-09  9:00           ` Xavier Bestel
2003-12-09  9:08             ` Greg KH
2003-12-09  9:19               ` Miles Bader
2003-12-09  9:39                 ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-09 11:01                   ` Helge Hafting
2003-12-12 11:26                     ` Jamie Lokier
2003-12-12 13:33                       ` Duncan Sands
2003-12-12 14:51                         ` Jamie Lokier
2003-12-12 16:34                       ` Chuck Campbell
2003-12-12 17:13                         ` Chris Friesen
2003-12-12 17:17                         ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-15  2:12                           ` Miles Bader
2003-12-15  3:51                             ` Mark Mielke
2003-12-15  6:09                             ` Tim Connors
2003-12-10 19:23                   ` Witukind
2003-12-10 19:33                     ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-10 20:22                       ` Witukind
2003-12-10 20:47                         ` Ed Sweetman
2003-12-10 20:53                           ` Ed Sweetman
2003-12-10 21:31                             ` Witukind
2003-12-10 21:28                           ` Witukind
2003-12-10 21:48                             ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-11  6:31                               ` Witukind
2003-12-10 21:49                           ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-10 23:48                           ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-11  1:53                             ` Mark Mielke
2003-12-11  8:42                               ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-11 16:33                                 ` Mark Mielke
2003-12-10 20:48                         ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-10 23:40                       ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-09  9:55               ` Xavier Bestel
2003-12-09 13:03                 ` Maciej Zenczykowski
2003-12-09 15:01                   ` Helge Hafting
2003-12-09 18:30                   ` Greg KH
2003-12-09 18:53                     ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-10  7:02                       ` Xavier Bestel
2003-12-10 20:06                         ` Witukind
2003-12-11  9:27                           ` Xavier Bestel
2003-12-11 10:15                             ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-11 11:05                               ` Xavier Bestel
2003-12-10  0:38                 ` Greg KH
2003-12-09  9:26             ` Måns Rullgård
2003-12-09  9:41               ` Miles Bader
2003-12-10  8:13           ` Jakob Oestergaard
2003-12-10  8:24           ` Rob Landley
2003-12-08 23:04   ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-12-08 23:34     ` Greg KH
2003-12-09  0:31       ` Sven-Haegar Koch
2003-12-09  0:42         ` Greg KH
2003-12-09  0:51       ` [PATCH] sysfs support for vcs devices (was Re: State of devfs in 2.6?) Greg KH
2003-12-09  5:26       ` State of devfs in 2.6? Rob Landley
2003-12-09 18:19         ` Greg KH
2003-12-09 18:20         ` Greg KH
2003-12-09  7:02       ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-12-09  7:13         ` Murray J. Root
2003-12-09  8:21           ` Holger Schurig
2003-12-09  8:52             ` Miles Bader
2003-12-09 10:08               ` Holger Schurig
2003-12-09 17:10             ` Mark Mielke
2003-12-10  5:42               ` Greg KH
2003-12-10 23:29                 ` jw schultz
2003-12-11 20:32                 ` [2.4.23] cursor dissapears in framebuffer console after switching back from X Witukind
2003-12-11 23:59                   ` Gene Heskett
2003-12-12  6:24                     ` Witukind
2003-12-09  8:32         ` State of devfs in 2.6? Greg KH
2003-12-09  9:59           ` Jan Dittmer
2003-12-09 13:54             ` Matthew Reppert
2003-12-09 16:27             ` Greg KH
2003-12-09 16:47               ` Eduard Bloch
2003-12-09 19:33                 ` Greg KH
2003-12-10  2:15           ` Clemens Schwaighofer
2003-12-10  4:10             ` Bob
2003-12-09  7:33       ` Vojtech Pavlik
2003-12-09  9:48       ` Andreas Jellinghaus
2003-12-08 23:35 ` Greg KH

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