From: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>
To: Kai Henningsen <kaih@khms.westfalen.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Alan Cox quote?
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:49:40 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20010619114940.A3089@work.bitmover.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3B2F769C.DCDB790E@kegel.com> <dank@kegel.com> <Pine.LNX.4.30.0106190940420.28643-100000@gene.pbi.nrc.ca> <3B2F769C.DCDB790E@kegel.com> <20010619090956.R3089@work.bitmover.com> <838x7gT1w-B@khms.westfalen.de>
In-Reply-To: <838x7gT1w-B@khms.westfalen.de>; from kaih@khms.westfalen.de on Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 08:01:00PM +0200
On Tue, Jun 19, 2001 at 08:01:00PM +0200, Kai Henningsen wrote:
> The funny thing here, Larry, is that to most people (who aren't OS gurus),
> Linux' clone or Plan 9's rfork *are* threads.
>
> I certainly agree that you don't necessarily need two different kernel-
> level kinds of things, but really, most of the time when people talk about
> threads
Great, then we are in violent agreement on the single abstraction.
On the second part, I stand by my previous statements that threads or
processes should be used sparingly.
All I'm doing is trying to counter all the "threads are great" hype.
This is a pretty intelligent pile of people but there are also a fair
number of people who read this list looking for nuggets of information.
If they walk away going "(a) Linux has a cool threading model, and
(b) I should only use threads if I absolutely have to do so and even
then if there are more than there are CPUs I'm probably making a
mistake", if they get that message, that's a good thing, IMHO.
--
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Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2001-06-19 18:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 149+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2001-06-19 14:53 accounting for threads Dan Kegel
2001-06-19 14:57 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-19 15:44 ` ognen
2001-06-19 15:58 ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Dan Kegel
2001-06-19 16:02 ` Ben Pfaff
2001-06-19 16:09 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 16:26 ` Matthew Kirkwood
2001-06-19 16:52 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 18:18 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-19 23:31 ` Timur Tabi
2001-06-20 11:52 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 21:20 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-20 18:12 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 23:28 ` Dan Podeanu
2001-06-21 0:42 ` D. Stimits
2001-06-20 20:18 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21 1:57 ` D. Stimits
2001-06-21 14:46 ` Idea: Patches-from-linus mailing list? (Was Re: Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads)) Rob Landley
2001-06-21 14:02 ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Jesse Pollard
2001-06-21 14:18 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-22 14:46 ` Mikulas Patocka
2001-06-22 13:29 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-24 21:41 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 16:55 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-24 22:30 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 18:21 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-25 13:48 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 22:39 ` Steven Walter
2001-06-24 23:50 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-24 20:24 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-25 0:05 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-25 0:32 ` Gerhard Mack
2001-06-25 0:59 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-25 2:18 ` Galen Hancock
2001-06-20 14:59 ` Matthias Urlichs
2001-06-20 19:14 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 21:01 ` RE:Why use threads ( was: Alan Cox quote?) David Schwartz
2001-06-20 21:26 ` Why " Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 22:18 ` David Schwartz
2001-06-20 22:41 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20 22:47 ` [OT] " Jeff Garzik
2001-06-21 0:21 ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21 0:56 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21 1:32 ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21 2:22 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21 2:43 ` David Schwartz
2001-06-21 16:10 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-21 19:55 ` Marco Colombo
2001-06-20 22:43 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-21 1:43 ` David Schwartz
2001-06-19 17:10 ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) Matti Aarnio
2001-06-19 17:20 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-19 17:37 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 17:45 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-19 19:38 ` Georg Nikodym
2001-06-19 19:56 ` Michael Meissner
2001-06-19 17:53 ` Steve Underwood
2001-06-19 19:01 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-20 2:57 ` Michael Rothwell
2001-06-20 3:04 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 3:38 ` John R Lenton
2001-06-20 10:21 ` john slee
2001-06-20 18:08 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 16:21 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20 9:14 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-22 2:36 ` Michael Rothwell
2001-06-19 18:08 ` Georg Nikodym
2001-06-19 20:57 ` David S. Miller
2001-06-19 21:15 ` David S. Miller
2001-06-20 0:04 ` Chris Ricker
2001-06-20 0:59 ` Robert Love
2001-06-19 17:36 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-19 17:41 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-19 21:11 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-19 23:56 ` Jonathan Lundell
2001-06-20 0:19 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-20 0:28 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 1:30 ` Ben Greear
2001-06-20 2:14 ` Mike Castle
2001-06-20 9:00 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 11:25 ` [OT] Threads, inelegance, and Java Aaron Lehmann
2001-06-20 11:25 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 17:36 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-06-20 19:27 ` Mike Harrold
2001-06-20 17:46 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 19:53 ` Martin Dalecki
2001-06-20 17:53 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21 7:45 ` Albert D. Cahalan
2001-06-20 20:16 ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-06-20 22:05 ` Alan Cox
[not found] ` <20010621000725.A24672@werewolf.able.es>
2001-06-20 19:15 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21 3:13 ` Pete Zaitcev
2001-06-21 13:59 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-21 9:40 ` Jonathan Morton
2001-06-21 16:48 ` Adam Sampson
2001-06-20 15:12 ` Ben Greear
2001-06-20 15:44 ` Russell Leighton
2001-06-20 16:32 ` Davide Libenzi
2001-06-20 16:54 ` Russell Leighton
2001-06-20 17:03 ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-20 15:10 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 20:23 ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-21 8:12 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 20:40 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-06-20 20:48 ` Tony Hoyle
2001-06-20 21:00 ` Daniel Phillips
2001-06-20 21:06 ` Richard B. Johnson
2001-06-20 18:14 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 16:53 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-20 12:36 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 21:14 ` Aaron Lehmann
2001-06-20 18:09 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-20 19:05 ` William T Wilson
2001-06-19 16:02 ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) David S. Miller
2001-06-19 16:12 ` Padraig Brady
2001-06-19 19:10 ` bert hubert
2001-06-19 19:18 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-19 19:32 ` bert hubert
2001-06-19 19:43 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 15:22 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-06-20 15:33 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 15:59 ` Threads are processes that share more bert hubert
2001-06-20 16:15 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-20 18:48 ` Martin Devera
2001-06-20 19:19 ` Unknown PCI Net Device Greg Ingram
2001-06-20 22:53 ` Andreas Dilger
2001-06-20 22:56 ` Jeff Garzik
2001-06-20 23:00 ` Alan Cox
2001-06-20 22:08 ` Threads are processes that share more Stephen Satchell
2001-06-20 22:14 ` ognen
2001-06-20 23:10 ` J . A . Magallon
2001-06-24 23:47 ` Larry McVoy
2001-06-25 2:23 ` David S. Miller
2001-06-20 16:39 ` Alan Cox quote? (was: Re: accounting for threads) george anzinger
2001-06-20 18:35 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-21 4:11 ` Rusty Russell
2001-06-21 23:37 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-21 23:55 ` Alexander Viro
2001-06-22 14:53 ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-20 16:40 ` Jes Sorensen
2001-06-20 20:09 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-20 19:05 ` Victor Yodaiken
2001-06-20 14:35 ` Mike Porter
2001-06-20 11:56 ` Rob Landley
2001-06-19 18:01 ` Alan Cox quote? Kai Henningsen
2001-06-19 18:49 ` Larry McVoy [this message]
2001-06-19 20:12 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2001-06-19 21:12 ` Richard Gooch
2001-06-19 22:50 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
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