From: Mark Mielke <mark@mark.mielke.cc>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@work.bitmover.com>,
"Henning P. Schmiedehausen" <hps@intermeta.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?]
Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 23:50:00 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021010035000.GD8805@mark.mielke.cc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20021009165500.L27050@work.bitmover.com>
On Wed, Oct 09, 2002 at 04:55:00PM -0700, Larry McVoy wrote:
> And none of that includes the hardware costs, which are dramatically
> cheaper for BK, it works on a laptop. Clearcase doesn't.
ClearCase does work on lap tops. Even if you mean disconnected,
ClearCase allows work to continue with snapshot views... :-)
Hardware costs are nothing really. The true killer with ClearCase is
the support costs. Not only do you need several full time people to
deal with user problems, you need several full time people to
customize your solution such that it meets your needs, several full
time people to baby the servers, and a whole management structure on
top to ensure that the full time people talk to each other, and the
actual users.
$3000/head really is nothing to large companies. CVS developers don't
understand, but for companies with several hundred designers, using
CVS would end up costing a heckuvalot more. I have become so
accustomed to features that are available in higher level systems such
as ClearCase that I find it difficult to use CVS. It is the difference
between black and white and colour.
mark
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2002-10-10 3:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 223+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2002-10-04 20:55 New BK License Problem? tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 21:33 ` tom_gall
2002-10-04 21:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 22:16 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-04 22:36 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05 0:04 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05 0:32 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 1:54 ` John Levon
2002-10-05 10:26 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-05 10:23 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-05 0:50 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06 2:17 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-04 23:02 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-04 23:33 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-04 23:28 ` David S. Miller
[not found] ` <20021005003840.GQ710@gallifrey>
[not found] ` <20021004174501.Q835@work.bitmover.com>
[not found] ` <20021005005344.GR710@gallifrey>
[not found] ` <20021004180600.R835@work.bitmover.com>
[not found] ` <20021005011706.GU710@gallifrey>
[not found] ` <20021004185325.V835@work.bitmover.com>
2002-10-05 11:54 ` Dr. David Alan Gilbert
2002-10-05 17:54 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:25 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 18:35 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 18:41 ` Lars Marowsky-Bree
2002-10-05 19:06 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-05 19:24 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 19:43 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:51 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-06 0:42 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 20:21 ` Ulrich Drepper
2002-10-05 23:28 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:50 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-05 23:44 ` Alexander Viro
2002-10-05 23:53 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 3:40 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-06 8:28 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 8:46 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06 9:06 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 9:24 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 14:03 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 14:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:27 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 21:13 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:04 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:06 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-08 22:15 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-08 22:53 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-08 22:25 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:15 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:24 ` Dave Jones
2002-10-08 22:20 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-08 22:31 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-08 22:26 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-08 22:45 ` Dave Jones
2002-10-09 0:51 ` BK kernel commits list David S. Miller
2002-10-09 11:49 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-09 11:58 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-09 12:17 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 12:12 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-09 14:11 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 14:44 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 14:55 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 14:58 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 19:48 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 19:59 ` Robert Love
2002-10-09 20:32 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-09 20:34 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-09 19:59 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-09 20:52 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-09 21:02 ` Robert Love
2002-10-09 20:41 ` David Woodhouse
2002-10-06 0:49 ` New BK License Problem? Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 4:43 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 5:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06 7:43 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06 8:13 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 9:21 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 16:38 ` Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo
2002-10-06 17:02 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:12 ` Russell King
2002-10-06 21:06 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 17:03 ` Skip Ford
2002-10-06 23:05 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 0:42 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-06 8:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 11:04 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:57 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 11:24 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 10:59 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:04 ` BK MetaData " Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 11:52 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 12:18 ` jbradford
2002-10-06 12:35 ` jw schultz
2002-10-06 12:18 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 16:18 ` Daniel Berlin
2002-10-06 13:48 ` Russell King
2002-10-06 14:10 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:08 ` Russell King
2002-10-06 16:58 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:06 ` jbradford
2002-10-06 19:12 ` Marek Habersack
2002-10-06 14:23 ` jbradford
2002-10-06 19:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2002-10-06 20:00 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 22:52 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 6:08 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-07 6:07 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 17:17 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-10-06 17:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 17:41 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-06 17:45 ` Jes Sorensen
2002-10-06 22:49 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 12:10 ` New BK " Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 4:25 ` David S. Miller
2002-10-06 9:00 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-06 3:35 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-05 19:47 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-05 19:54 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:56 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 2:01 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-07 2:10 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 2:29 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 2:38 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 3:07 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-10 3:48 ` rsync kernel tree " jw schultz
2002-10-06 22:03 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:33 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:45 ` Aaron Lehmann
2002-10-06 22:59 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 23:15 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 19:06 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:19 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:24 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 20:37 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:54 ` Nicolas Pitre
2002-10-07 21:10 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-08 9:11 ` Vojtech Pavlik
2002-10-08 1:05 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-06 0:34 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 0:45 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:15 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 19:46 ` jbradford
2002-10-06 22:18 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 23:54 ` Jeff Dike
2002-10-06 22:57 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:57 ` Daniel Phillips
2002-10-06 13:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 13:59 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:56 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:22 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 15:15 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:39 ` Alexandre Dulaunoy
2002-10-07 1:21 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 6:29 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 2:27 ` Rob Landley
2002-10-07 15:43 ` Jan Harkes
2002-10-07 16:06 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 16:18 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 16:30 ` Werner Almesberger
2002-10-07 9:37 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2002-10-07 14:50 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-07 18:45 ` Abramo Bagnara
2002-10-06 21:31 ` Miquel van Smoorenburg
2002-10-06 22:05 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 22:16 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 22:19 ` Robert Love
2002-10-06 22:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 23:22 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-06 13:59 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06 14:14 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 14:53 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-06 15:37 ` Ingo Molnar
2002-10-06 22:11 ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 18:49 ` BK is *evil* corporate software David S. Miller
2002-10-07 20:12 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-07 20:14 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 21:23 ` Roman Zippel
2002-10-07 18:51 ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Mike Galbraith
2002-10-07 21:31 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-09 23:34 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-09 23:50 ` BK is *evil* corporate software David S. Miller
2002-10-10 1:08 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 1:47 ` Keith Owens
2002-10-10 8:09 ` Henning Schmiedehausen
2002-10-10 8:28 ` Off topic, bandwidth wasting, waffle about Bit Keeper jbradford
2002-10-09 23:55 ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 3:50 ` Mark Mielke [this message]
2002-10-10 4:16 ` Derek D. Martin
2002-10-10 4:56 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-10 7:33 ` Jirka David
2002-10-10 7:26 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-10 13:36 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 14:04 ` yodaiken
2002-10-10 16:14 ` Henning P. Schmiedehausen
2002-10-10 16:25 ` Jeff Garzik
2002-10-10 16:52 ` Richard B. Johnson
2002-10-10 17:28 ` Alan Cox
2002-10-10 16:38 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 18:57 ` Eli Carter
2002-10-10 19:01 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-10 0:03 ` Jamie Lokier
2002-10-10 7:31 ` Rogier Wolff
2002-10-07 18:56 ` tom_gall
2002-10-07 20:44 ` Pavel Machek
2002-10-07 20:55 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-07 21:28 ` BK is *evil* corporate software tom_gall
2002-10-07 21:36 ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Alexander Viro
2002-10-17 17:52 ` 2.5.43 disk repartitioning problems Dave Olien
2002-10-17 18:04 ` Dave Olien
2002-10-18 19:45 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-18 22:17 ` Dave Olien
2002-10-19 17:39 ` Bill Davidsen
2002-10-07 20:30 ` BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 0:27 ` New BK License Problem? Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 0:32 ` Ben Collins
2002-10-06 0:53 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-05 13:10 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 22:53 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-05 23:21 ` Larry McVoy
2002-10-05 23:49 ` Murray J. Root
2002-10-06 0:48 ` Rik van Riel
2002-10-06 19:21 ` Mark Mielke
2002-10-05 13:17 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-05 13:48 ` FD Cami
2002-10-05 13:41 ` Hans Reiser
2002-10-10 0:37 BK is *evil* corporate software [was Re: New BK License Problem?] Dan Kegel
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