From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264152AbTDWRfS (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:35:18 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264155AbTDWRfS (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:35:18 -0400 Received: from pdbn-d9bb86a9.pool.mediaWays.net ([217.187.134.169]:2057 "EHLO citd.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264152AbTDWRfN (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 13:35:13 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 19:47:10 +0200 From: Matthias Schniedermeyer To: "Martin J. Bligh" Cc: Pat Suwalski , Marc Giger , linux-kernel Subject: Re: [Bug 623] New: Volume not remembered. Message-ID: <20030423174710.GA12744@citd.de> References: <21660000.1051114998@[10.10.2.4]> <20030423164558.GA12202@citd.de> <1508310000.1051116963@flay> <20030423172120.GA12497@citd.de> <3EA6947D.9080106@suwalski.net> <1527920000.1051118798@flay> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1527920000.1051118798@flay> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 10:26:38AM -0700, Martin J. Bligh wrote: > >> I can only guess why. My buest guess is that not all > >> sound-configurations are the same, on some systems the "defaults" could > >> much to loud. (e.g. waking the neigbours when you restart you computer > >> at night) > > > > This is certainly the case. When I was packaging OSS for Xandros, our initial default was 50 percent. We eventualyl made it about 30, because even that was too loud on a laptop we were testing. There was little coherance between the various soundcards. > > > > Waking the neighbors is the smallest problem. Blowing a speaker or makign the user deaf if quite another. > > > > Yes, it's a distro problem. My Gentoo was build "-alsa" and so the alsa-sound init script does not 'go'. A simple rebuild will solve the problem. > > I agree it's a disto problem to save and restore. > > But I fail to understand how the distro can magically set a sensible > default, and yet we're unable to do so inside the kernel ? Setting it > to something like 10 (or other very quiet setting) would seem reasonable. > Then at least the poor user would have a clue what the problem was. > > As to "There was little coherance between the various soundcards", yes > this probably needs to be a per-soundcard setting for sensible defaults. > I presume this is what the distros do? > > Defaulting to silence seems user-malevolent ... The problem is (normaly) a "one time while installing"-problem. So don't see the point. The "helper" that finds out the soundcard, should also do a "find out the default volume to use"-round with the user. Bis denn -- Real Programmers consider "what you see is what you get" to be just as bad a concept in Text Editors as it is in women. No, the Real Programmer wants a "you asked for it, you got it" text editor -- complicated, cryptic, powerful, unforgiving, dangerous.