From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264251AbTDXD01 (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:26:27 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264254AbTDXD00 (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:26:26 -0400 Received: from almesberger.net ([63.105.73.239]:15623 "EHLO host.almesberger.net") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264251AbTDXD0Z (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 23:26:25 -0400 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 00:37:42 -0300 From: Werner Almesberger To: "Martin J. Bligh" Cc: Jamie Lokier , Matthias Schniedermeyer , Marc Giger , linux-kernel , pat@suwalski.net Subject: Re: [Bug 623] New: Volume not remembered. Message-ID: <20030424003742.J3557@almesberger.net> References: <1508310000.1051116963@flay> <20030423183413.C1425@almesberger.net> <1560860000.1051133781@flay> <20030423191427.D3557@almesberger.net> <1570840000.1051136330@flay> <20030424001134.GD26806@mail.jlokier.co.uk> <20030423214332.H3557@almesberger.net> <20030424011137.GA27195@mail.jlokier.co.uk> <20030423231149.I3557@almesberger.net> <25450000.1051152052@[10.10.2.4]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <25450000.1051152052@[10.10.2.4]>; from mbligh@aracnet.com on Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 07:40:54PM -0700 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Martin J. Bligh wrote: > You turn it off once, and your distro keeps it that way. Doesn't seem > that onerous to me. Okay, so now your distribution is aware of this configuration issue. > Indeed. Initial impression of people upgrading a kernel from 2.4 to 2.5/6 > is that "sound doesn't work in 2.5/6". Not good. ... but now it isn't. What gives ? (Besides, you've just added the "silent" flag as another config item besides the volume setting, using different interfaces, different permissions, etc.) > And all for the fact that when the user sets up the system, it just > works. With sensible defaults. Instead of being an elitist piece of > crap that only l33t g33ks can use. Fine. But this discussion isn't about the end-user experience, but about where a certain parameter should be set, and what its transient default value should be. Unexperienced users will just install a set of packages to upgrade to a new kernel. So this change can just be included in one of these upgrades. No superhuman effort needed. As far as those are concerned who painstakingly build their own kernel, update the things listed in Documentation/Changes, avoid suble traps like CONFIG_SERIO_I8042, don't get confused by needing new module utilities, etc., I'm fairly confident that they'll consider setting the volume a rather minor challenge. And you could even take the sting out of this one by adding an appropriate warning to Documentation/Changes. That's a about all the kernel-side support this issue deserves. - Werner -- _________________________________________________________________________ / Werner Almesberger, Buenos Aires, Argentina wa@almesberger.net / /_http://www.almesberger.net/____________________________________________/