From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S263540AbTDXCiC (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:38:02 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S263549AbTDXCiC (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:38:02 -0400 Received: from bristol.phunnypharm.org ([65.207.35.130]:9190 "EHLO bristol.phunnypharm.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S263540AbTDXCiB (ORCPT ); Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:38:01 -0400 Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 22:34:34 -0400 From: Ben Collins To: Pat Suwalski Cc: Werner Almesberger , Pavel Machek , Matthias Schniedermeyer , "Martin J. Bligh" , Marc Giger , linux-kernel Subject: Re: [Bug 623] New: Volume not remembered. Message-ID: <20030424023434.GF354@phunnypharm.org> References: <21660000.1051114998@[10.10.2.4]> <20030423164558.GA12202@citd.de> <1508310000.1051116963@flay> <20030423172120.GA12497@citd.de> <3EA6947D.9080106@suwalski.net> <20030423221749.GA9187@elf.ucw.cz> <3EA71533.4090008@suwalski.net> <20030423225520.GA32577@atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz> <20030423231920.D1425@almesberger.net> <3EA74BF1.2090700@suwalski.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3EA74BF1.2090700@suwalski.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Apr 23, 2003 at 10:29:05PM -0400, Pat Suwalski wrote: > Werner Almesberger wrote: > >So you're claiming that users will find it more difficult to add > >one line to rc.local than upgrading their kernel ? > > No. > > I believe he is saying that ever since 1984 and the Mac Plus, it has > been expected that sound works right away without adding any lines anywhere. > > I have not seen a computer in the last year and a half that has not had > either onboard sound or a card. It is very standard hardware these days. > Therefore, your soundcard should work just like your keyboard does. You > do not have to add any lines to any rc script to get the keyboard > working, do you? Sound should not have to be any different, in an ideal > world. Sound may be a standard feature, but it does not get driven by a standard interface like PS2 or HID keyboards do. It's also not as straight forward as "sound or no sound". There's many different levels of sound hardware, from the 2-channel basic stereo, to the 6-way Dolby Digital 5.1. Whether or not a line is needed in an rc script is really a shortcoming of userspace, IMO. It's the responsibility of userspace to setup the user's environment in the most friendly way. -- Debian - http://www.debian.org/ Linux 1394 - http://www.linux1394.org/ Subversion - http://subversion.tigris.org/ Deqo - http://www.deqo.com/