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From: Con Kolivas <kernel@kolivas.org>
To: Timothy Miller <miller@techsource.com>,
	Nick Piggin <piggin@cyberone.com.au>
Cc: linux kernel mailing list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Felipe Alfaro Solana <felipe_alfaro@linuxmail.org>
Subject: Re: Interactivity improvements
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 07:15:29 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200308070715.29461.kernel@kolivas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3F314D6B.9090302@techsource.com>

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 04:48, Timothy Miller wrote:
> Here's a kooky idea...
>
> I'm not sure about this detail, but I would guess that the int
> schedulers are trying to determine relatively stable priority values for
> processes.  A process does not instantly come to its correct priority
> level, because it gets there based on accumulation of behavioral patterns.
>
> Well, it occurs to me that we could benefit from situations where
> priority changes are underdamped.  The results would sometimes be an
> oscillation in priority levels.  In the short term, a given process may
> be given different amounts of CPU time when it is run, although in the
> long term, it should average out.
>
> At the same time, certain tasks can only be judged correctly over the
> long term, like X, for example.  Its long-term behavior is interactive,
> but now and then, it will become a CPU hog, and we want to LET it.
>
> The idea I'm proposing, however poorly formed, is that if we allow some
> "excessive" oscillation early on in the life of a process, we may be
> able to more quickly get processes to NEAR its correct priority, OR get
> its CPU time over the course of three times being run for the
> underdamped case to be about the same as it would be if we knew in
> advance what the priority should be.  But in the underdamped case, the
> priority would continue to oscillate up and down around the correct
> level, because we are intentionally overshooting the mark each time we
> adjust priority.
>
> This may not be related, but something that pops into my mind is a
> numerical method called Newton's Method.  It's a way to solve for roots
> of an equation, and it involved derivatives, and I don't quite remember
> how it works.  But in any event, the results are less accurate than,
> say, bisection, but you get to the answer MUCH more quickly.

Good thinking, but this is more or less already done in my code. I do have 
very rapid elevation of priority, and once something is known interactive it 
decays more slowly. It still _must_ be able to vary after the fact as 
interactive tasks can turn into cpu hogs and so on. 

Con


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-08-06 21:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-08-04 16:07 [PATCH] O13int for interactivity Con Kolivas
2003-08-04 18:24 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-08-04 19:15 ` Antonio Vargas
2003-08-04 21:32   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-04 20:11 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-04 22:11   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  7:10     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-05  2:11 ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05  2:20   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  2:21     ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05  3:06       ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  3:17         ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-06 18:48           ` Interactivity improvements Timothy Miller
2003-08-06 19:01             ` Mike Fedyk
2003-08-06 20:09             ` Helge Hafting
2003-08-06 21:15             ` Con Kolivas [this message]
2003-08-05  3:18       ` [PATCH] O13int for interactivity Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  3:31         ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05  5:04           ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  5:12             ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05  5:16               ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  5:28                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05 10:22                   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 10:32                     ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05 10:45                       ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 10:48                         ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05 10:56                           ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 11:03                             ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05 11:12                               ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 11:23                                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-05 11:34                                   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 10:54                         ` Arjan van de Ven
2003-08-05 11:10                           ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-06 21:33                       ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-06 21:33                         ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-07  0:27                           ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-07  0:27                             ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-07  0:44                               ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-11  6:48                       ` Rob Landley
2003-08-11 15:47                         ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-08-12  2:51                         ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-12  6:16                           ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12  7:07                             ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-12  7:18                               ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-12  9:42                                 ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12 21:11                                   ` Mike Fedyk
2003-08-13  6:55                                     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12  9:22                               ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12  9:37                                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-12  9:48                                   ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-12 10:29                           ` Rob Landley
2003-08-12 11:08                             ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-12 11:35                               ` Rob Landley
2003-08-12 11:58                                 ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-13  2:08                                   ` jw schultz
2003-08-13  3:07                                     ` Gene Heskett
2003-08-13  3:24                                       ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-13  5:24                                         ` Gene Heskett
2003-08-13  5:43                                           ` Andrew McGregor
2003-08-13 12:33                                             ` Gene Heskett
2003-08-14  5:03                                               ` Andrew McGregor
2003-08-14 10:48                                                 ` Gene Heskett
2003-08-12 15:36                           ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-05  6:03             ` Andrew Morton
2003-08-05  7:26               ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  8:12                 ` Oliver Neukum
2003-08-05  8:20                   ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  8:27                     ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-05  8:43                       ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05  9:09                         ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-05  9:19                           ` Con Kolivas
2003-08-05 10:04                   ` Nick Piggin
2003-08-11  6:57                 ` Rob Landley
2003-08-11 15:58                   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-08-05  7:53               ` Mike Galbraith
2003-08-07 14:26 Interactivity improvements Patrick McLean
2003-08-07 15:24 ` Richard Curnow
2003-08-07 15:42   ` Patrick McLean
2003-08-07 18:33     ` Mike Fedyk
2003-08-07 20:48   ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-08-07 21:26     ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-08-07 23:05       ` Timothy Miller
2003-08-07 15:31 ` Felipe Alfaro Solana
2003-08-07 17:41 ` Robert Love

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