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From: Jeff Garzik <jgarzik@pobox.com>
To: Gene Heskett <gene.heskett@verizon.net>
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Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 future
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On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 02:39:52PM -0500, Gene Heskett wrote:
> the reasons behind the reasoning.  However, that doesn't help us pour 
> schmucks out here in la-la land trying to make the most recent nvidia 
> module work with the latest kernel on our now elderly gforce2's.  I'd 
> like to have some OpenGL support for instance, but for everything 
> else, nv is probably 100x more stable than the nvidia binary.  So we 
> run nv.  Maybe someday nvidia will get baptised, but *I'm* not 
> counting on it.
> 
> Its not your emails (as Linus) to nvidia that will fix that, but a 
> concerted effort, emailing them for a resolution from everyone who 
> owns one of their products _might_ eventually make a difference.
> OTOH, they're going to listen to their IP lawyers & not us. so...

Well, the easiest way to convince nVidia is to own someone else's
product, that does support Linux ;-)

Right now -- for the bleeding edge 3D hardware -- hardware makers
are across-the-board closed source AFAIK.  ATI used to be open source,
but their new "microcode JIT" stuff for the latest h/w isn't

Until a volume 3D h/w maker goes open source and gives Linux users a
market to buy into, it's pretty much closed source moving forward :(

	Jeff