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From: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@mellanox.co.il>
To: Andi Kleen <ak@suse.de>
Cc: discuss@x86-64.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [discuss] f_ops flag to speed up compatible ioctls in linux kernel
Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 13:40:17 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040907104017.GB10096@mellanox.co.il> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040903080058.GB2402@wotan.suse.de>

Hello!
Quoting Andi Kleen (ak@suse.de) "Re: [discuss] f_ops flag to speed up compatible ioctls in linux kernel":
> On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 10:22:45AM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > Hello!
> > Currently, on the x86_64 architecture, its quite tricky to make
> > a char device ioctl work for an x86 executables.
> > In particular,
> >    1. there is a requirement that ioctl number is unique -
> >       which is hard to guarantee especially for out of kernel modules
> 
> Yes, that is a problem for some people. But you should
> have used an unique number in the first place.

Do you mean the _IOC macro and friends?
But their uniqueness depends on allocating a unique magic number
in the first place.

> There are some hackish ways to work around it for non modules[1], but at some
> point we should probably support it better.
> 
> [1] it can be handled, except for module unloading, so you have
> to disable that.

Why use the global hash at all?
Why not, for example, pass a parameter to the ioctl function
to make it possible to figure out this is a compat call?

> >    2. there's a performance huge overhead for each compat call - there's
> >       a hash lookup in a global hash inside a lock_kernel -
> >       and I think compat performance *is* important.
> 
> Did you actually measure it? I doubt it is a big issue.
> 

But that would depend on what the driver actually does inside
the ioctl and on how many ioctls are already registered, would it not?

I built a silly driver example which just used a semaphore and a switch
statement inside the ioctl.

~/<1>tavor/tools/driver_new>time /tmp/ioctltest64 /dev/mst/mt23108_pci_cr0
0.357u 4.760s 0:05.11 100.0%    0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w
~/<1>tavor/tools/driver_new>time /tmp/ioctltest32 /dev/mst/mt23108_pci_cr0
0.641u 6.486s 0:07.12 100.0%    0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w

So just looking at system time there seems to be an overhead of
about 20%.
The overhead is bigger if there are collisions in the hash.

For muti-processor scenarious, the difference is much more pronounced
(note I have dual-cpu Opteron system):

~>time /tmp/ioctltest32 /dev/mst/mt23108_pci_cr0 & ;time /tmp/ioctltest32
/dev/mst/mt23108_pci_cr0 &
[2] 10829
[3] 10830
[2]    Done                          /tmp/ioctltest32 /dev/mst/mt23108_pci_cr0
0.435u 21.322s 0:21.76 99.9%    0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w
[3]    Done                          /tmp/ioctltest32 /dev/mst/mt23108_pci_cr0
0.683u 21.231s 0:21.92 99.9%    0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w
~>


~>time /tmp/ioctltest64 /dev/mst/mt23108_pci_cr0 & ;time /tmp/ioctltest64
/dev/mst/mt23108_pci_cr0 &
[2] 10831
[3] 10832
[3]    Done                          /tmp/ioctltest64 /dev/mst/mt23108_pci_cr0
0.474u 11.194s 0:11.70 99.6%    0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w
[2]    Done                          /tmp/ioctltest64 /dev/mst/mt23108_pci_cr0
0.476u 11.277s 0:11.75 99.9%    0+0k 0+0io 0pf+0w
~>

So we get 50% slowdown.
I imagine this is the result of BKL contention during the hash lookup.

MST

  reply	other threads:[~2004-09-07 10:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-01  7:22 f_ops flag to speed up compatible ioctls in linux kernel Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-01  7:32 ` viro
2004-09-01  7:44   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-01  7:47   ` Lee Revell
2004-09-01  8:19     ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-01 15:55   ` Roland Dreier
2004-09-01 18:02     ` Chris Wright
2004-09-01 18:12       ` Roland Dreier
2004-09-01 18:31         ` viro
2004-09-01 20:54       ` Roland Dreier
     [not found]         ` <20040901170800.K1924@build.pdx.osdl.net>
     [not found]           ` <20040901190122.L1924@build.pdx.osdl.net>
2004-09-02  3:46             ` Roland Dreier
2004-09-01 18:06   ` Bill Davidsen
2004-09-01  8:30 ` Arjan van de Ven
2004-09-01 15:40 ` [PATCH] fs/compat.c: rwsem instead of BKL around ioctl32_hash_table Roland Dreier
2004-09-01 23:27   ` Andrew Morton
2004-09-02 21:14   ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-02 22:26     ` Roland Dreier
2004-09-03 14:37       ` [discuss] " Andi Kleen
2004-09-03 14:55         ` Roland Dreier
2004-09-03 15:02           ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-03  8:00 ` [discuss] f_ops flag to speed up compatible ioctls in linux kernel Andi Kleen
2004-09-07 10:40   ` Michael S. Tsirkin [this message]
2004-09-07 12:14     ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-07 13:45       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-07 14:15         ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-07 14:25           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-07 14:29             ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-07 14:37               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-07 14:44                 ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-07 14:45                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-07 15:10                     ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-07 18:16                       ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-08  6:55                         ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-08 14:28                           ` [patch] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-08 14:38                             ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-08 14:54                               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-08 14:58                                 ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-12 20:05                                   ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-15 13:19                               ` [patch] Re: [discuss] " Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-07 21:36                       ` Is FIOQSIZE compatible? ( was Re: f_ops flag to speed up compatible ioctls in linux kernel) Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-08  6:54                         ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-07 15:03               ` [discuss] f_ops flag to speed up compatible ioctls in linux kernel Herbert Poetzl
2004-09-07 18:07                 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-09-09 13:54                   ` Herbert Poetzl
2004-12-12 21:51       ` how to detect a 32 bit process on 64 bit kernel Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-12-12 22:01         ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-12 22:23         ` Christoph Hellwig
2004-12-13 19:50           ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-12-13 21:01             ` Jan Engelhardt
2004-12-13 21:32             ` Brian Gerst
2004-12-13 21:37               ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2004-12-12 22:37         ` Willy Tarreau
2004-12-12 23:30           ` Bongani Hlope
2004-12-14  7:28         ` Andi Kleen
2004-09-20 14:49   ` [patch] speed up ioctls in linux kernel Michael S. Tsirkin

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