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From: Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmail.fm>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Bron Gondwana <brong@fastmail.fm>,
	Christian Kujau <lists@nerdbynature.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, robm@fastmail.fm
Subject: mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 22:50:49 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071115115049.GA8297@brong.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.9999.0711142148380.2786@woody.linux-foundation.org>

On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 09:53:38PM -0800, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> > 
> > So even at 100% dirty limits, it won't let you dirty more than 1GB on the 
> > default 32-bit setup.
> 
> Side note: all of these are obviously still just heuristics. If you really 
> *do* run on a 32-bit kernel, and you want to have the pain, I'm sure you 
> can just disable the dirty limits with a one-liner kernel mod. And if it's 
> useful enough, we can certainly expose flags like that.. Not that I expect 
> that much anybody else will ever care, but it's not like it's wrong to 
> expose the silly heuristics the kernel has to users that have very 
> specific loads.
> 
> That said, I still do hope you aren't actually using HIGHMEM64G. I was 
> really hoping that the people who had enough moolah to buy >4GB of RAM had 
> long since also upgraded to a 64-bit machine ;)

I'm afraid we are, which probably explains it.

We have a bunch of 64 bit machines, but this particular machine
is one of our somewhat more ancient IBM x235 machines.  It's
got stacks of fast SCSI drives and a couple of hyperthreading
Xeons in it.  Very nice machine in its day, and very reliable
which is why we have kept them, even though at 6RU it chews
through disk space.

Unfortunately none of the 64 bit machines are world facing,
and we're running HIGHMEM64G on a bunch of machines both for
consistency value and because we only have one machine left
with only 2Gb.

I guess we'll be doing the one-liner kernel mod and testing
that then.  I'd certainly like to build a test case anyway
so I'm not spending too much time rebooting that machine,
it's also our outbound SMTP gateway.

And I'll keep in mind finding a 64 bit capable machine for
the role when I can.

Thanks for the feedback on this - I'll come back with more
details once we've done some testing, but this sounds likely,
and I don't think DCC is going to change how it works, so
we're stuck supporting it.

Bron.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-11-15 11:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 268+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-11-13  6:42 [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Natalie Protasevich
2007-11-13 11:15 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 11:24   ` Jens Axboe
2007-11-13 11:33   ` Evgeniy Polyakov
2007-11-13 11:39   ` David Miller
2007-11-13 11:49     ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 11:58       ` David Miller
2007-11-13 12:12         ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 12:32           ` David Miller
2007-11-13 19:02             ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 20:00               ` Christian Kujau
2007-11-13 21:04                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 16:56                   ` Nick Piggin
2007-11-14 19:54                     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-14 22:22                       ` Heikki Orsila
2007-11-14 23:05                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-13 21:37                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 21:56                   ` Christian Kujau
2007-11-15  4:07                     ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-15  4:24                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15  5:25                         ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-15  5:35                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15  5:53                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 11:50                               ` Bron Gondwana [this message]
2007-11-15 16:32                                 ` mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs) Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 19:40                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-15 20:44                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-15 20:56                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 20:59                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-15 21:12                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-15 21:14                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 21:26                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 21:26                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-15 21:47                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 22:11                                               ` Chris Friesen
2007-11-15 22:31                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-15 22:24                                               ` Rob Mueller
2007-11-18 23:13                                                 ` Daniel Phillips
2007-11-19  3:41                                                   ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-16  0:48                                               ` Alan Cox
2007-11-21 21:25                                               ` Jan Engelhardt
2007-11-19  3:54                                           ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-22  3:42                                           ` [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option Bron Gondwana
2007-11-26 17:53                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-11-27  1:30                                               ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-27  4:54                                             ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-27  5:24                                               ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-27  5:53                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-27 12:10                                                   ` dirty highmem calculation sysctl name (Was: [PATCH 1/1] mm: add dirty_highmem option) Bron Gondwana
2007-11-27 13:06                                                     ` [PATCH] mm/page-writeback - highmem_is_dirtyable option (replaces dirty_highmem patch) Bron Gondwana
2007-11-21 23:51                                   ` mmap dirty limits on 32 bit kernels (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs) Bron Gondwana
2007-11-22  2:16                                     ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-13 19:32             ` [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Russell King
2007-11-13 20:13               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 23:29                 ` Russell King
2007-11-13 23:38                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 20:52               ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 22:18                 ` Russell King
2007-11-13 22:32                   ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 23:09                     ` Russell King
2007-11-13 23:17                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-14  1:55                     ` David Miller
2007-11-14  2:27                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-14  3:47                         ` David Miller
2007-11-14  8:30                         ` Russell King
2007-11-14  9:55                       ` Russell King
2007-11-14 10:07                         ` David Miller
2007-11-14 11:46                           ` [alsa-devel] " Rene Herman
2007-11-14 11:56                             ` David Miller
2007-11-14 12:01                               ` David Miller
2007-11-14  8:25                                 ` Moderated list (Was: Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs) Takashi Iwai
2007-11-14 12:21                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-11-14  9:47                                     ` Takashi Iwai
2007-11-14 23:23                                       ` Moderated list David Miller
2007-11-15  6:09                                         ` Rene Herman
2007-11-14 12:12                                 ` [alsa-devel] [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Rene Herman
2007-11-14 12:09                               ` Rene Herman
2007-11-15  4:16                             ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-15  5:59                               ` Rene Herman
2007-11-15 12:02                                 ` Bron Gondwana
2007-11-15 12:26                                   ` Rene Herman
2007-11-15 13:00                                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-15 14:29                                       ` Rene Herman
2007-11-15 13:17                                 ` Olivier Galibert
2007-11-15  9:34                                   ` Takashi Iwai
2007-11-14 19:44                           ` Russell King
2007-11-16 22:16                           ` Use *poof* for linux-omap (Was: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs) Tony Lindgren
2007-11-17  0:45                             ` Use *poof* for linux-omap David Miller
2007-11-18 20:01                               ` Tony Lindgren
2007-11-14  5:56                   ` [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-14  5:59                     ` Sam Ravnborg
2007-11-14  6:13                     ` David Miller
2007-11-13 13:40           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-13 14:08             ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 15:24               ` Giacomo A. Catenazzi
2007-11-13 15:57                 ` Ray Lee
2007-11-13 17:01                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 17:50                     ` Romano Giannetti
2007-11-13 22:03                       ` Frans Pop
2007-11-13 15:52               ` Benoit Boissinot
2007-11-13 16:49                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-13 17:13                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-13 17:30                   ` Alan Cox
2007-11-13 17:33                   ` Larry Finger
2007-11-13 18:55                     ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-13 20:07                       ` Larry Finger
2007-11-13 17:56                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 18:57                     ` Gabriel C
2007-11-14  0:41                       ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-14  0:39                     ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-14  7:27                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-14  7:46                         ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-14 13:30                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-11-14 13:35                             ` Hannes Reinecke
2007-11-14 21:39                               ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-14 21:58                                 ` Gabriel C
2007-11-14 18:27                           ` Kok, Auke
2007-11-14 16:55                     ` Jan Evert van Grootheest
2007-11-14 23:23                   ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-11-15 15:30                     ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-15 16:19                       ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-11-16  8:20                         ` Romano Giannetti
2007-11-16 18:20                           ` Daniel Barkalow
2007-11-16 19:46                             ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-17 12:20                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-18 18:01                                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-11-13 16:46               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-13 17:50                 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 18:12                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 18:18                     ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 18:36                       ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 18:47                         ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 19:04                           ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 19:12                             ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 19:30                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 19:46                                 ` Russell King
2007-11-13 20:04                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 19:26                             ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 20:00                               ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 20:13                                 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 21:20                                   ` Adrian Bunk
2007-11-13 21:12                                 ` Alan Cox
2007-11-14  0:52                                   ` Chuck Ebbert
2007-11-14  1:11                                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2007-11-14  2:10                                       ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-14  1:10                       ` David Miller
2007-11-14  1:18                         ` Peter Stuge
2007-11-13 18:17                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-11-13 18:39                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-11-13 18:43                     ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 18:49                       ` Matthew Wilcox
2007-11-13 18:54                         ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 22:09                           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-11-14 14:30                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 14:49                             ` Larry Finger
2007-11-18 12:44                   ` size of git repository (was Re: [BUG] New Kernel Bugs) Pavel Machek
2007-11-18 12:58                     ` Rene Herman
2007-11-18 14:35                       ` James Bottomley
2007-11-18 15:19                         ` Rene Herman
2007-11-18 14:56                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-19  4:43                       ` Willy Tarreau
2007-11-13 19:37               ` [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Russell King
2007-11-13 20:18                 ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 21:33                   ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-13 21:56                     ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 22:24                       ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-13 22:43                         ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-13 22:29                     ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 23:40                   ` Russell King
2007-11-14  1:56                     ` David Miller
2007-11-14  0:34               ` Denys Vlasenko
2007-11-15  3:06                 ` Neil Brown
2007-11-13 16:55             ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-14 14:08               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 17:38                 ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-14 18:23                   ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-11-15  2:50                     ` Neil Brown
2007-11-16  0:05                       ` J. Bruce Fields
2007-11-14 20:16                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 20:29                     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-14 20:37                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 21:05                         ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-14 19:56                 ` David Miller
2007-11-14 20:09                   ` James Bottomley
2007-11-14 20:54                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 20:48                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-14 21:05                     ` david
2007-11-13 11:47   ` Jarek Poplawski
2007-11-13 13:58   ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 14:18     ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 16:08       ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-13 16:07     ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-13 17:47       ` Mark Lord
2007-11-15 16:32         ` [BUG] Strange 1-second pauses during Resume-from-RAM Mark Lord
2007-11-15 16:49           ` Ray Lee
2007-11-15 16:51             ` Mark Lord
2007-11-15 16:53               ` Mark Lord
2007-11-15 18:14           ` Pavel Machek
2007-11-15 17:31             ` Mark Lord
2007-11-15 19:34               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-15 19:36                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-15 22:23                   ` Mark Lord
2007-11-16  5:55                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16  7:15                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16  8:21                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 11:23                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 11:53                             ` Mike Galbraith
2007-11-16 12:43                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 12:58                               ` [patch] snd hda suspend latency: shorten codec read Ingo Molnar
2007-11-16 13:31                                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-11-16 14:21                                 ` Takashi Iwai
2007-11-16 19:06                         ` [BUG] Strange 1-second pauses during Resume-from-RAM Mark Lord
2007-11-16 18:35                     ` Mark Lord
2007-11-30 20:12                     ` Mark Lord
2007-11-30 12:56                   ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-30 13:35                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-30 13:43                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-30 18:35                         ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-30 18:46                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-01 15:16                             ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-01 18:32                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-01 20:47                                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-01 20:54                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-01 23:41                                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02  8:56                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 11:31                                         ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 12:31                                           ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 13:57                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 14:46                                             ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 15:44                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 13:57                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 14:11                                             ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 15:47                                               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 19:55                                                 ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 20:07                                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 20:30                                                     ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 20:45                                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-02 21:08                                                         ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 21:10                                                         ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-02 21:19                                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-03  0:57                                                             ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-04  0:06                                                               ` Jörn Engel
2007-12-04  9:34                                                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-30 15:49                       ` Jörn Engel
2007-11-15 20:27               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-11-18 16:10           ` Mark Lord
2007-11-18 16:21             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-11-18 17:37               ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 17:54       ` [BUG] New Kernel Bugs Mark Lord
2007-11-13 22:46         ` Thomas Gleixner
2007-11-13 23:37           ` Mark Lord
2007-11-13 18:10       ` Russell King
2007-11-13 18:25         ` Alan Cox
2007-11-13 22:34           ` Russell King
2007-11-15 20:16             ` Ben Dooks
2007-11-13 15:21   ` Bartlomiej Zolnierkiewicz
2007-11-13 15:33   ` James Bottomley
2007-11-13 16:43     ` Randy Dunlap
2007-11-13 17:46     ` Martin Bligh
2007-11-13 18:47       ` Andrew Morton
2007-11-14  5:07       ` David Miller
2007-11-13 15:36   ` Alan Cox
2007-11-13 17:49   ` Jan Kara
2007-11-13 18:04   ` Russell King
2007-11-14 12:46   ` Jiri Kosina
2007-11-14 13:24   ` Pavel Machek
2007-11-14 14:14     ` Fabio Comolli
2007-11-14 19:52     ` Russell King

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