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From: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Tejun Heo <htejun@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: 2.6.24-rc4-git5: Reported regressions from 2.6.23
Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 22:01:32 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20071209220132.53268368@the-village.bc.nu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.0.9999.0712091036380.12046@woody.linux-foundation.org>

> Btw, Alan, that "math" is total and utter BULLSH*T, and you should know 
> that.

The one off regression is probably not one off, but this is IDE so
actually its quite probable its a single broken firmware. 

The alternative is that you cripple just about every user of various
other standards compliant devices and controllers whose hardware we
finally fixed.

Finally you need to remember that the 'regression' is caused by the fact
we now do the _right_ thing both in terms of 'old IDE' and specs.

Believe it or not I did actually think in quite some detail about this
case, and the relative probabilities, and go back and re-review the old
IDE code (whose behaviour we now follow) and the spec. I spend a
measurable amount of my time reviewing code and weighing risks,
regressions and progress for an enterprise Linux vendor, so its something
I do every day of the week.

To blindly argue regressions are critical is sometimes (as in this case)
to argue that "this freeway is no longer compatible with a horse and
cart" means the freeway should be turned back into a dirt road.

The horse and cart happened to work by chance because the road was quiet
that day. We clearly need to add a horse & cart lane in the long term,
but for 2.6.24 it may well be the right thing to do just to blacklist
that specific drive back to old behaviour until we can tidy it more
nicely.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2007-12-09 22:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 103+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-12-08  2:40 2.6.24-rc4-git5: Reported regressions from 2.6.23 Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-08  6:53 ` Fabio Comolli
2007-12-08  8:28   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-08  9:23     ` Andrew Morton
2007-12-08 22:11       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-08  9:29 ` Andrew Morton
2007-12-08 22:17   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-08  9:30 ` tipc_init(), WARNING: at arch/x86/mm/highmem_32.c:52, [2.6.24-rc4-git5: Reported regressions from 2.6.23] Ingo Molnar
2007-12-08 10:11   ` Andrew Morton
2007-12-08 16:37   ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-08 17:47     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-08 17:54       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-08 18:09         ` Andrew Morton
2007-12-08 18:37           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-08 19:52             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-08 20:29               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-09  8:20                 ` Pekka Enberg
2007-12-09  8:50                   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-09  9:18                     ` Pekka Enberg
2007-12-09 11:51                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-09 12:34                         ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-13 22:07                     ` Christoph Lameter
2007-12-09 15:59                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-11  6:27               ` Dave Jones
2007-12-11  8:52                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-11 19:03                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2007-12-14  4:07               ` Christoph Lameter
2007-12-14  7:16                 ` Eric Dumazet
2007-12-14 12:49                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-17 19:54                   ` Christoph Lameter
2007-12-09  7:58           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-09 14:17             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-08 18:33         ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-08 19:00         ` Matt Mackall
2007-12-09  8:33         ` Pekka Enberg
2007-12-13 22:03       ` Christoph Lameter
2007-12-08  9:36 ` 2.6.24-rc4-git5: Reported regressions from 2.6.23 Andrew Morton
2007-12-08 10:12   ` Andreas Mohr
2007-12-08 10:20     ` Andrew Morton
2007-12-08 10:28       ` Matthew Garrett
2007-12-08 10:55       ` Andreas Mohr
2007-12-09 15:46         ` Tejun Heo
2007-12-09 19:59           ` Andreas Mohr
2007-12-09  6:52   ` Tejun Heo
2007-12-09 14:20     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-09 15:11       ` Tejun Heo
2007-12-08  9:42 ` Andrew Morton
2007-12-08 18:57   ` Roland Dreier
2007-12-08 19:40   ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-08 19:55     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-08 22:30     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-09  2:15       ` Theodore Tso
2007-12-13 10:49         ` Takashi Iwai
2007-12-20 15:42           ` Takashi Iwai
2007-12-08  9:46 ` Andrew Morton
2007-12-08 15:49   ` Alan Stern
2007-12-08  9:52 ` Andrew Morton
2007-12-09  7:00   ` Tejun Heo
2007-12-09 13:42     ` Alan Cox
2007-12-09 15:09       ` Tejun Heo
2007-12-09 15:25         ` Alan Cox
2007-12-09 15:39           ` Tejun Heo
2007-12-09 18:36       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-09 21:54         ` Alan Cox
2007-12-09 18:41       ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-09 22:01         ` Alan Cox [this message]
2007-12-09 22:51           ` Ray Lee
2007-12-10  1:57           ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-10  3:28             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-10  3:38             ` Alan Cox
2007-12-10 15:38               ` Linus Torvalds
2007-12-10  8:21             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-10  8:27               ` Tejun Heo
2007-12-10  8:41                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-08 10:44 ` Richard Purdie
2007-12-08 22:32   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-09 11:54 ` Andrew Morton
2007-12-09 12:05   ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-09 14:24   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2007-12-10 20:42 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-10 20:57   ` Guillaume Chazarain
2007-12-10 20:59   ` Andrew Morton
2007-12-10 22:45     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-10 23:04       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-10 23:34         ` Stefano Brivio
2007-12-10 23:53           ` Guillaume Chazarain
2007-12-11  8:48             ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-10 23:56           ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-11  0:01             ` Guillaume Chazarain
2007-12-11  1:06               ` Arjan van de Ven
2007-12-11  8:43                 ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-11  9:01           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-12-11 21:10             ` Stefano Brivio
2007-12-19  0:58             ` Stefano Brivio
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2007-12-08 18:24         ` Robert Hancock
2007-12-09  5:59           ` Tejun Heo
2007-12-09 21:36           ` Andreas Mohr
2007-12-10  0:04             ` Andreas Mohr
2007-12-10  0:49               ` Andreas Mohr
2007-12-10  1:28                 ` Robert Hancock
2007-12-10  2:25                   ` Tejun Heo
2007-12-10  3:20                     ` Robert Hancock
2007-12-10  2:20                 ` Tejun Heo

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