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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>
Cc: lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Prarit Bhargava <prarit@redhat.com>,
	Richard Cochran <richardcochran@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 19/21] clocksource: Improve comment explaining clocks_calc_max_nsecs()'s 50% safety margin
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 20:43:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20150402184317.GD27490@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALAqxLU3MVVy=69n3uXmx0xDhU_P4+ns05L=xNt=rV=qx2Pkqg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 11:41:15AM -0700, John Stultz wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 2, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 10:30:18AM -0700, John Stultz wrote:
> >> > Should we make a further note that the tk_fast things rely on this
> >> > slack since they're not strongly serialized against this? That is, they
> >> > can end up using an older cycle_last value and therefore end up with a
> >> > larger delta than other code.
> >>
> >> Though, even with the tk_fast bits, we expect the update to happen
> >> regularly, its just that for the benefit of lock-free access we are ok
> >> with the possible slight inconsistencies (in the mono clock) that
> >> could happen if we use a slightly stale value mid-update. So I don't
> >> think the tk_fast bits are actually relying on the slack any more then
> >> the normal timekeeping code relies on the slack to handle slight
> >> delays in processing the updates.  If we deal with time deltas large
> >> enough to cause overflows, or time intervals larger then the hardware
> >> can represent, we're sunk in either case. This 50% margin just makes
> >> it easier to catch unexpected delays or issues.
> >
> > Right, so you're saying that even though the fast bits will see slightly
> > larger deltas than the normal code, they should still not get anywhere
> > near the 50% because we update much more frequently?
> 
> Well, they may get to 50% or slightly over (since 50% is the max nohz
> idle length), but that's likely rare, and we shouldn't get anywhere
> close to real failure edges (100% be it the mult-overflow or hardware
> mask limit).

Right, so the fast thing rely on there being slack. That was my point
rather. I know they'll not get to the end of slack.

  reply	other threads:[~2015-04-02 18:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-02  3:34 [PATCH 00/21] 4.1 time and rtc changes for tip/timers/core John Stultz
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 01/21] time: Add y2038 safe read_boot_clock64() John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:15   ` [tip:timers/core] " tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 02/21] time: Add y2038 safe read_persistent_clock64() John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:15   ` [tip:timers/core] " tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 03/21] time: Add y2038 safe update_persistent_clock64() John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:16   ` [tip:timers/core] time: Add y2038 safe update_persistent_clock64( ) tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 04/21] ARM: OMAP: 32k counter: Provide y2038-safe omap_read_persistent_clock() replacement John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:16   ` [tip:timers/core] " tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 05/21] ARM: tegra: clock: Provide y2038-safe tegra_read_persistent_clock() replacement John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:16   ` [tip:timers/core] clocksource/drivers/tegra: " tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 06/21] ARM: time: Provide read_boot_clock64() and read_persistent_clock64() John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:17   ` [tip:timers/core] ARM, clocksource/drivers: Provide read_boot_clock64() and read_persistent_clock64() and use them tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 07/21] rtc: Provide y2038 safe rtc_class_ops.set_mmss() replacement John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:17   ` [tip:timers/core] drivers/rtc: " tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 08/21] rtc/test: Update driver to address y2038/y2106 issues John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:17   ` [tip:timers/core] drivers/rtc/test: " tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 09/21] rtc/ab3100: " John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:17   ` [tip:timers/core] drivers/rtc/ab3100: " tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 10/21] rtc/mc13xxx: " John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:18   ` [tip:timers/core] drivers/rtc/mc13xxx: " tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 11/21] rtc/mxc: Modify rtc_update_alarm() not to touch the alarm time John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:18   ` [tip:timers/core] drivers/rtc/mxc: " tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 12/21] rtc/mxc: Convert get_alarm_or_time()/set_alarm_or_time() to use time64_t John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:18   ` [tip:timers/core] drivers/rtc/mxc: Convert get_alarm_or_time()/ set_alarm_or_time() " tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 13/21] rtc/mxc: Update driver to address y2038/y2106 issues John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:19   ` [tip:timers/core] drivers/rtc/mxc: Update driver to address y2038 /y2106 issues tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 14/21] alpha: rtc: Change to use rtc_class_ops's set_mmss64() John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:19   ` [tip:timers/core] alpha, rtc: Change to use rtc_class_ops' s set_mmss64() tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 15/21] time: Don't build timekeeping_inject_sleeptime64() if no one uses it John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:19   ` [tip:timers/core] time: Don' t " tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 16/21] rtc: Remove redundant rtc_valid_tm() from rtc_resume() John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:19   ` [tip:timers/core] drivers/rtc: " tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 17/21] time: Fix a bug in timekeeping_suspend() with no persistent clock John Stultz
2015-04-03  6:16   ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-03  8:20   ` [tip:timers/core] " tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 18/21] time: rtc: Don't bother into rtc_resume() for the nonstop clocksource John Stultz
2015-04-03  8:20   ` [tip:timers/core] time, drivers/rtc: Don't bother with rtc_resume () " tip-bot for Xunlei Pang
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 19/21] clocksource: Improve comment explaining clocks_calc_max_nsecs()'s 50% safety margin John Stultz
2015-04-02  8:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-02 17:30     ` John Stultz
2015-04-02 18:34       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-02 18:41         ` John Stultz
2015-04-02 18:43           ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2015-04-02 18:50             ` John Stultz
2015-04-02 19:04               ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-03  8:20   ` [tip:timers/core] " tip-bot for John Stultz
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 20/21] timekeeping: Change timekeeping_check_update() to take a tk_read_base John Stultz
2015-04-02  3:34 ` [PATCH 21/21] time: Rework debugging variables so they aren't global John Stultz
2015-04-02  7:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-02  7:51     ` Ingo Molnar
2015-04-02  8:36       ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-02  8:41         ` Peter Zijlstra
2015-04-02 17:32       ` John Stultz
2015-04-03  6:21         ` Ingo Molnar

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