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From: Daniel Vetter <daniel@ffwll.ch>
To: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: "Daniel Vetter" <daniel@ffwll.ch>,
	"Geert Uytterhoeven" <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	"Thomas Petazzoni" <thomas.petazzoni@free-electrons.com>,
	"Tomi Valkeinen" <tomi.valkeinen@ti.com>,
	"Greg Kroah-Hartman" <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	"Noralf Trønnes" <noralf@tronnes.org>,
	"Sudip Mukherjee" <sudipm.mukherjee@gmail.com>,
	"Teddy Wang" <teddy.wang@siliconmotion.com>,
	"Arnaud Patard" <arnaud.patard@rtp-net.org>,
	"DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Linux Fbdev development list" <linux-fbdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] staging: remove fbdev drivers
Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 09:34:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20161209083442.peoriqsto2llvl2t@phenom.ffwll.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1481234249.26959.55.camel@kernel.crashing.org>

On Fri, Dec 09, 2016 at 08:57:29AM +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> On Fri, 2016-12-09 at 08:34 +1100, Benjamin Herrenschmidt wrote:
> > As I mentioned earlier, probably 1 or 2 years ago, Dave made the
> > argument that shadowing through memory was necessary and precluded 2D
> > accel, though I don't fully remember the root of the argument. If that
> > is indeed not the case, then my main objection is lifted.
> 
> Things seem to change quickly as Daniel pointed out.
> 
> So ast and cirrus seem to still use a manual dirty tracking and
> shadowing (though I'm not sure why), but the infrastructure for
> that has moved from the drivers to the helpers.
> 
> bochs (qemu) doesn't seem to anymore from what I can see as it
> doesn't have a ->dirty callback.

Yeah if you have discrete vram then your dumb display driver isn't all
that pretty. We essentially just have the few drivers Dave hacked up to be
able to boot some servers. And there's definitely lots of room for more
shared code for those, and also some better infrastructure and helpers to
share more cod and make them better.

The massive pile of dumb framebuffers we all merged over the past 2 years
all use system/dma memory for scanout, and for those we have the very nice
cma helpers that take care of everything for you. So it is possible, only
reason vram dumb buffers look worse is that there's only 3 and no one
cares about them, vs about 20 and a very active community of contributors
(also for core drm improvements) for the other case.

Althought the MXSFB driver that just landed does use ttm and vram, so
maybe that's now improving too.
-Daniel
-- 
Daniel Vetter
Software Engineer, Intel Corporation
http://blog.ffwll.ch

  reply	other threads:[~2016-12-09  8:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-23  8:03 [RFC PATCH 0/3] staging: remove fbdev drivers Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23  8:03 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] staging: remove xgifb Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23  8:03 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] staging: remove sm750fb Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23  8:03 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] staging: remove fbtft Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 17:26   ` Noralf Trønnes
2016-11-24  8:36     ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23 20:12   ` Drew Fustini
2016-11-23  8:19 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] staging: remove fbdev drivers Daniel Vetter
2016-11-23  8:21   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23  8:25   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-11-23  8:45     ` Daniel Vetter
2016-11-23  8:52 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-11-23  9:12   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-11-23  9:49     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2016-11-23 10:05     ` Thomas Petazzoni
2016-12-22 20:36       ` Andy Shevchenko
2016-12-08 22:00     ` Sudip Mukherjee
2016-12-08  1:01 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08  8:01   ` Tomi Valkeinen
2016-12-08 21:23     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08 21:43       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09  8:13         ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-13  7:36       ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-12-08 10:10   ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 12:15     ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-08 14:02       ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 14:22         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-08 14:37           ` Thomas Petazzoni
2016-12-08 14:44             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-08 15:21               ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 21:34                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-08 21:57                   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09  8:34                     ` Daniel Vetter [this message]
2016-12-09  8:41                       ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 11:48                         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 13:35                           ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 20:27                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-13  7:18                               ` Michel Dänzer
2016-12-09 11:44                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09 12:33                         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-09 13:19                         ` Lucas Stach
2016-12-09 13:33                         ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 13:57                           ` David Herrmann
2016-12-09 14:04                             ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-09 20:29                             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09  8:30                 ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 14:59           ` Jani Nikula
2016-12-08 14:22         ` Daniel Vetter
2016-12-08 21:28     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-09  0:08       ` Dave Airlie
2016-12-09  8:04         ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2016-12-09 11:40         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2016-12-13  7:33         ` Gerd Hoffmann
2016-12-13 15:17     ` Laurent Pinchart

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