From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com>
To: Andreas Fuchs <andreas.fuchs@sit.fraunhofer.de>
Cc: James Bottomley <jejb@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
"linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org"
<linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org>,
"tpmdd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net"
<tpmdd-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>,
open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [tpmdd-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/4] RFC: in-kernel resource manager
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 12:10:49 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170106191049.GA19576@obsidianresearch.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f5c8f4a2-d4ad-a2a0-9443-26589c58f9a7@sit.fraunhofer.de>
On Fri, Jan 06, 2017 at 09:59:57AM +0100, Andreas Fuchs wrote:
> 1. PolicyPCR is an essential feature of TPM used all over the place,
> so we need support for policy sessions.
> 2. PolicySigned allows authentication of the user via SmartCard.
Are smart cards 0666 in linux?
> The all-defeating reason for having in-kernel-RM is trusted keyrings
> or IMA/EVM appraise/protect or similar. They will want to use sealing
> to PCRs which in turn requires policy sessions from inside the kernel
> and thus RM inside the kernel to play nicely with the TSS.
Yes. I had hoped the in-kernel-RM could also provide safe 0666 access,
but lets move on from that idea and focus on kernel/user TPM
application co-existence...
> And IMHO nobody wants the kernel security modules to call back to a
> userspace RM-daemon.
Yep.
> If everyone agrees with this presumption the only question becomes
> how to do this, such that we don't need a second RM in userspace
> for the 99% of use cases.
Yep.
> P.S. This fact should also be given some thought when discussing the
> priviledged 0600 node, i.e. /dev/tpm0 without the s in the middle.
We are stuck with the non-RM interface for compat. There could be a
kernel option/module option/sysctl/whatever of some kind to disable it
I guess.
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-01-06 19:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-01-02 13:22 [PATCH RFC 0/4] RFC: in-kernel resource manager Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 13:22 ` [PATCH RFC 1/4] tpm: migrate struct tpm_buf to struct tpm_chip Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 21:01 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 0:57 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 19:13 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:29 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 13:22 ` [PATCH RFC 2/4] tpm: validate TPM 2.0 commands Jarkko Sakkinen
[not found] ` <OF8D508BD2.EAB22BFD-ON0025809E.0062B40C-8525809E.006356C3@notes.na.collabserv.com>
2017-01-04 18:19 ` [tpmdd-devel] " James Bottomley
2017-01-04 18:44 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-02 13:22 ` [PATCH RFC 3/4] tpm: export tpm2_flush_context_cmd Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 13:22 ` [PATCH RFC 4/4] tpm: add the infrastructure for TPM space for TPM 2.0 Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 21:09 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 0:37 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 18:46 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:43 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 19:16 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:45 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
[not found] ` <OF9C3EE9AE.65978870-ON0025809E.0061E7AF-8525809E.0061FFDA@notes.na.collabserv.com>
2017-01-09 22:11 ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 16:36 ` [tpmdd-devel] [PATCH RFC 0/4] RFC: in-kernel resource manager James Bottomley
2017-01-02 19:33 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-02 21:40 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 5:26 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 13:41 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 16:14 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 18:36 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 19:14 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 19:34 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 21:54 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:58 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-04 16:55 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 5:47 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-01-04 13:00 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 13:51 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 16:36 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-03 18:40 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 21:47 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 22:21 ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-03 23:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 22:39 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04 0:17 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 0:29 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04 0:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:50 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-04 14:53 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04 18:31 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 18:57 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-04 19:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-04 12:48 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-03 21:32 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-03 22:03 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-05 15:52 ` Fuchs, Andreas
2017-01-05 17:27 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 18:06 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-06 8:43 ` Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-05 18:33 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-05 19:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 19:55 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-05 22:21 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-05 22:58 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-05 23:50 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-06 0:36 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-06 8:59 ` Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-06 19:10 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2017-01-06 19:02 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-10 19:03 ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-09 22:39 ` [tpmdd-devel] " Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-11 10:03 ` Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-04 16:12 Dr. Greg Wettstein
2017-01-09 23:16 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-10 19:29 ` Ken Goldman
2017-01-11 11:36 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-10 20:05 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-11 10:00 ` Andreas Fuchs
2017-01-11 18:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-11 18:27 ` Stefan Berger
2017-01-11 19:18 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-11 11:34 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2017-01-11 15:39 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-11 17:56 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2017-01-11 18:25 ` James Bottomley
2017-01-11 19:04 ` Jason Gunthorpe
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