From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1755014AbdKKCdl (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Nov 2017 21:33:41 -0500 Received: from www.llwyncelyn.cymru ([82.70.14.225]:58070 "EHLO fuzix.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751388AbdKKCdj (ORCPT ); Fri, 10 Nov 2017 21:33:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 02:32:40 +0000 From: Alan Cox To: "AKASHI, Takahiro" Cc: Mimi Zohar , "Luis R. Rodriguez" , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Linus Torvalds , Jan Blunck , Julia Lawall , David Howells , Marcus Meissner , Gary Lin , linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-efi , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Matthew Garrett Subject: Re: Firmware signing -- Re: [PATCH 00/27] security, efi: Add kernel lockdown Message-ID: <20171111023240.2398ca55@alans-desktop> In-Reply-To: <20171109044619.GG7859@linaro.org> References: <1509660086.3416.15.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <150842463163.7923.11081723749106843698.stgit@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <14219.1509660259@warthog.procyon.org.uk> <1509660641.3416.24.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20171107230700.GJ22894@wotan.suse.de> <20171108061551.GD7859@linaro.org> <20171108194626.GQ22894@wotan.suse.de> <20171109014841.GF7859@linaro.org> <1510193857.4484.95.camel@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <20171109044619.GG7859@linaro.org> Organization: Intel Corporation X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.15.1-dirty (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > My assumption here is: > 1) there are some less important and so security-insensitive firmwares, > by which I mean that such firmwares won't be expected to be signed in > terms of vulnerability or integrity. > (I can't give you examples though.) > 2) firmware's signature will be presented separately from the firmware > blob itself. Say, "firmware.bin.p7s" for "firmware.bin" For x86 at least any firmware on any system modern enough to support 'secure' boot should already be signed. The only major exception is likely to be for things like random USB widgets. Even things like input controller firmware loaded over i2c or spi is usually signed because you could do fun things with input faking otherwise. The other usual exception is FPGAs, but since the point of an FPGA is usually the fact it *can* be reprogrammed it's not clear that signing FPGA firmware makes sense unless it is designed to be fixed function. You can't subvert the bus protocols on the x86 FPGA I am aware of as those bits are signed (or hard IP), but without IOMMU I am not sure FPGA and 'secure' boot is completely compatible. Alan