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From: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 05/17] lockdep: Extend __bfs() to work with multiple kinds of dependencies
Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 00:34:26 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180222163426.fcfq6ubq25ipxhfb@tardis> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180222160811.GT25201@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

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On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 05:08:11PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 11:12:10PM +0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 03:26:14PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 03:08:52PM +0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > > > Now we have four kinds of dependencies in the dependency graph, and not
> > > > all the pathes carry strong dependencies, for example:
> > > > 
> > > > 	Given lock A, B, C, if we have:
> > > > 
> > > > 	CPU1			CPU2
> > > > 	=============		==============
> > > > 	write_lock(A);		read_lock(B);
> > > > 	read_lock(B);		write_lock(C);
> > > > 
> > > > 	then we have dependencies A--(NR)-->B, and B--(RN)-->C, (NR and
> > > > 	RN are to indicate the dependency kind), A actually doesn't have
> > > > 	strong dependency to C(IOW, C doesn't depend on A), to see this,
> > > > 	let's say we have a third CPU3 doing:
> > > > 
> > > > 	CPU3:
> > > > 	=============
> > > > 	write_lock(C);
> > > > 	write_lock(A);
> > > > 
> > > > 	, this is not a deadlock. However if we change the read_lock()
> > > > 	on CPU2 to a write_lock(), it's a deadlock then.
> > > > 
> > > > 	So A --(NR)--> B --(RN)--> C is not a strong dependency path but
> > > > 	A --(NR)--> B --(NN)-->C is a strong dependency path.
> > > 
> > > I'm not really satisfied with the above reasoning. I don't disagree, but
> > > if possible it would be nice to have something a little more solid.
> > > 
> > 
> > What do you mean by "solid"? You mean "A --(NR)--> B --(NN)-->C" is too
> > abstract, and want something like the below instead:
> 
> The above description mostly leaves it as an exercise to the reader to
> 'proof' ignoring *R -> R* is both safe and complete while that is the
> main argument.
> 

OK, so I have some 'proof' in patch #16. I could move that proof in the
commit log or merge that patch with this one?

Regards,
Boqun

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  reply	other threads:[~2018-02-22 16:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-02-22  7:08 [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 00/17] lockdep: Support deadlock detection for recursive read locks Boqun Feng
2018-02-22  7:08 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 01/17] lockdep: Demagic the return value of BFS Boqun Feng
2018-02-22  7:08 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 02/17] lockdep: Make __bfs() visit every dependency until a match Boqun Feng
2018-02-22  7:08 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 03/17] lockdep: Redefine LOCK_*_STATE* bits Boqun Feng
2018-02-22  7:08 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 04/17] lockdep: Introduce lock_list::dep Boqun Feng
2018-02-23 11:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-23 12:37     ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-24  5:32       ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-24  6:30         ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-24  8:38           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-24  9:00             ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-24  9:26               ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-26  9:00                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-26 10:15                   ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-26 10:20                     ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-24  7:31         ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-22  7:08 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 05/17] lockdep: Extend __bfs() to work with multiple kinds of dependencies Boqun Feng
2018-02-22 14:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22 15:12     ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-22 15:30       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22 15:51         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22 16:31           ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-23  5:02             ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-23 11:15               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22 16:08       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22 16:34         ` Boqun Feng [this message]
2018-02-22 16:32           ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22  7:08 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 06/17] lockdep: Support deadlock detection for recursive read in check_noncircular() Boqun Feng
2018-02-22 14:54   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22 15:16     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22 15:44       ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-22  7:08 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 07/17] lockdep: Adjust check_redundant() for recursive read change Boqun Feng
2018-02-22 17:29   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-03-16  8:20     ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-22  7:08 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 08/17] lockdep: Fix recursive read lock related safe->unsafe detection Boqun Feng
2018-02-22 17:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22 17:46   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-23  8:21     ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-23  8:58       ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-23 11:36         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-22  7:08 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 09/17] lockdep: Add recursive read locks into dependency graph Boqun Feng
2018-02-22  7:08 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 10/17] lockdep/selftest: Add a R-L/L-W test case specific to chain cache behavior Boqun Feng
2018-02-22  7:08 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 11/17] lockdep: Take read/write status in consideration when generate chainkey Boqun Feng
2018-02-22  7:08 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 12/17] lockdep/selftest: Unleash irq_read_recursion2 and add more Boqun Feng
2018-02-22  7:09 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 13/17] lockdep/selftest: Add more recursive read related test cases Boqun Feng
2018-02-22  7:09 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 14/17] Revert "locking/lockdep/selftests: Fix mixed read-write ABBA tests" Boqun Feng
2018-02-22  7:09 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 15/17] lockdep: Reduce the size of lock_list Boqun Feng
2018-02-23 11:38   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-23 12:40     ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-22  7:09 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 16/17] lockdep: Documention for recursive read lock detection reasoning Boqun Feng
2018-02-24 22:53   ` Andrea Parri
2018-02-27  2:32     ` Boqun Feng
2018-02-22  7:09 ` [RFC tip/locking/lockdep v5 17/17] MAINTAINERS: Add myself as a LOCKING PRIMITIVES reviewer Boqun Feng

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