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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	mhillenb@amazon.de, linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	kvm <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Make need_resched() return true when rcu_urgent_qs requested
Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 08:40:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180716154015.GA21419@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180712161704.GA20726@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 09:17:04AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 05:53:51AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 12, 2018 at 01:00:42PM +0100, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Wed, 2018-07-11 at 14:08 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Also... why in $DEITY's name was the existing
> > > > > rcu_virt_note_context_switch() not actually sufficient? If we had that
> > > > > there, why did we need an additional explicit calls to rcu_all_qs() in
> > > > > the KVM loop, or the more complex fixes to need_resched() which
> > > > > ultimately had the same effect, to avoid ten-second latencies?
> > > > 
> > > > My guess is that this was because control passed through the
> > > > rcu_virt_note_context_switch() only once, and then subsequent
> > > > scheduling-clock interrupts bypassed this code.
> > 
> > Gah!  My guess was instead that the code did a rcu_kvm_enter() going in,
> > but somehow managed to miss the rcu_kvm_exit() going out.  But that makes
> > absolutely no sense -- had that happened, rcutorture would likely have
> > screamed bloody murder, loudly and often.  No mere near misses!
> > 
> > And besides, thus far, -ENOREPRODUCE.  :-/
> 
> OK, one close call in 63 hours of rcutorture, this one on scenario TREE03
> (yesterday hit TREE01 and TREE03).  Time for probabilitistic long-runtime
> bisection.  Plus thought about how to get more information out of the near
> misses.  Fun!  ;-)

Most of the weekend was devoted to testing today's upcoming pull request,
but I did get a bit more testing done on this.

I was able to make this happen more often by tweaking rcutorture a
bit, but I still do not yet have statistically significant results.
Nevertheless, I have thus far only seen failures with David's patch or
with both David's and my patch.  And I actually got a full-up rcutorture
failure (a too-short grace period) in addition to the aforementioned
close calls.

Over this coming week I expect to devote significant testing time to
the commit just prior to David's in my stack.  If I don't see failures
on that commit, we will need to spent some quality time with the KVM
folks on whether or not kvm_x86_ops->run() and friends have the option of
failing to return, but instead causing control to pop up somewhere else.
Or someone could tell me how I am being blind to some obvious bug in
the two commits that allow RCU to treat KVM guest-OS execution as an
extended quiescent state.  ;-)

							Thanx, Paul


  reply	other threads:[~2018-07-16 15:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-07-06 14:53 [RFC] Make need_resched() return true when rcu_urgent_qs requested David Woodhouse
2018-07-06 16:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-06 17:11   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-06 17:14     ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-06 21:12       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09  8:58       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09  8:53     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09  9:18       ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-09 10:44         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09 10:56           ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-09 11:06             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09 11:12               ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-09 11:31                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09 12:34               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 12:47                 ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-09 14:30                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 12:55                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09 12:57                   ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-09 13:02                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09 14:29                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 14:43                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09 14:54                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 15:26                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-09 16:34                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 16:44                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 18:50                           ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-09 20:34                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 20:35                               ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-09 20:42                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 20:45                                   ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-09 21:05                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-09 22:08                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 10:57                                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-11 12:51                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 12:58                                             ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-11 14:25                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 14:23                                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-11 14:43                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 16:49                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 17:03                                               ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-11 17:48                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 18:01                                                   ` [PATCH v2] kvm/x86: Inform RCU of quiescent state when entering guest mode David Woodhouse
2018-07-11 18:20                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 18:36                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 18:39                                                         ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-11 20:27                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 20:54                                                             ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-11 21:09                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 21:11                                                             ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-11 21:32                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 21:39                                                                 ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-11 23:47                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-12  8:31                                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-12 11:00                                                                       ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-12 11:10                                                                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-12 11:58                                                                           ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-12 12:04                                                                             ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-11 23:37                                                                 ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-12  2:15                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-12  6:21                                                                   ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-12  9:52                                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-11 18:31                                                 ` [RFC] Make need_resched() return true when rcu_urgent_qs requested Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-11 20:17                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-11 20:19                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-11 21:08                                                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-12 12:00                                                         ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-12 12:53                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-12 16:17                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-16 15:40                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2018-07-17  8:19                                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-17 12:56                                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-18 15:36                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-18 16:01                                                                       ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-18 16:37                                                                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-18 19:41                                                                           ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-18 20:17                                                                             ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-19  0:26                                                                               ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-07-19  6:45                                                                               ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-19  7:20                                                                                 ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-19 10:23                                                                                   ` Christian Borntraeger
2018-07-19 12:55                                                                                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-19 13:14                                                                                   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-07-19 13:36                                                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-19 17:09                                                                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-23  8:08                                                                             ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-23 12:22                                                                               ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-19  0:32                                                 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-07-19  3:11                                                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2018-07-19  6:16                                                     ` David Woodhouse
2018-07-19 13:17                                                       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-07-19 13:15                                                     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2018-07-10  9:24                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-07-10 16:26                                     ` Paul E. McKenney

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