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From: Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
To: Dave Chinner <david@fromorbit.com>
Cc: TongZhang <ztong@vt.edu>,
	darrick.wong@oracle.com, linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Wenbo Shen <shenwenbosmile@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Leaking Path in XFS's ioctl interface(missing LSM check)
Date: Mon, 1 Oct 2018 16:04:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181001160442.47c798bc@alans-desktop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20181001002521.GM31060@dastard>

>         /* only root can play with this */
>         if (!capable(CAP_SYS_ADMIN))
>                 return -EACCES;
> 
> Think about it - if DM control ioctls only require CAP_SYS_ADMIN,
> then if have that cap you can use DM to remap any block in a block
> device to any other block. You don't need to the filesystem to move
> stuff around, it can be moved around without the filesystem knowing
> anything about it.

Yes - I am not surprised the XFS is not the only problem area. The fact
XFS also isn't going via the security hooks so security hooks can fix it
just makes it worse.

> > That's what people said about setuid shell scripts.  
> 
> Completely different. setuid shell scripts got abused as a hack for
> the lazy to avoid setting up permissions properly and hence were
> easily exploited.

Sounds to me like an accurate description of the current capabilities
mess in the kernel (and not just XFS and not just file systems)

> Systems restricted by LSMs to the point where CAP_SYS_ADMIN is not
> trusted have exactly the same issues. i.e. there's nobody trusted by
> the kernel to administer the storage stack, and nobody has defined a
> workable security model that can prevent untrusted users from
> violating the existing storage trust model....

With a proper set of LSM checks you can lock the filesystem management
and enforcement to a particular set of objects. You can build that model
where for example only an administrative login from a trusted console may
launch processes to do that management.

Or you could - if things were not going around the LSM hooks.

Alan

  reply	other threads:[~2018-10-01 15:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-26  0:51 Leaking Path in XFS's ioctl interface(missing LSM check) TongZhang
2018-09-26  1:33 ` Dave Chinner
2018-09-26 13:23   ` Stephen Smalley
2018-09-27  2:08     ` Dave Chinner
2018-09-26 18:24   ` Alan Cox
2018-09-27  1:38     ` Dave Chinner
2018-09-27 21:23       ` James Morris
2018-09-27 22:19         ` Dave Chinner
2018-09-27 23:12           ` Tetsuo Handa
2018-09-30 14:16       ` Alan Cox
2018-10-01  0:25         ` Dave Chinner
2018-10-01 15:04           ` Alan Cox [this message]
2018-10-01 15:25             ` Theodore Y. Ts'o
2018-10-01 22:53               ` Dave Chinner
2018-10-01 15:44             ` Darrick J. Wong
2018-10-01 20:08               ` James Morris
2018-10-01 22:45                 ` Dave Chinner
2018-10-02 19:20                   ` James Morris
2018-10-02 22:42                     ` Dave Chinner

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