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From: Quentin Perret <quentin.perret@arm.com>
To: Patrick Bellasi <patrick.bellasi@arm.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	"Rafael J . Wysocki" <rafael.j.wysocki@intel.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Viresh Kumar <viresh.kumar@linaro.org>,
	Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>, Todd Kjos <tkjos@google.com>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelaf@google.com>,
	Steve Muckle <smuckle@google.com>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 11/16] sched/fair: Add uclamp support to energy_compute()
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2019 13:29:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190122132944.sfxlnpc3xeft4rqd@queper01-lin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190122124546.njrpmykzbjpztd6u@e110439-lin>

On Tuesday 22 Jan 2019 at 12:45:46 (+0000), Patrick Bellasi wrote:
> On 22-Jan 12:13, Quentin Perret wrote:
> > On Tuesday 15 Jan 2019 at 10:15:08 (+0000), Patrick Bellasi wrote:
> > > The Energy Aware Scheduler (AES) estimates the energy impact of waking
> 
> [...]
> 
> > > +		for_each_cpu_and(cpu, pd_mask, cpu_online_mask) {
> > > +			cfs_util = cpu_util_next(cpu, p, dst_cpu);
> > > +
> > > +			/*
> > > +			 * Busy time computation: utilization clamping is not
> > > +			 * required since the ratio (sum_util / cpu_capacity)
> > > +			 * is already enough to scale the EM reported power
> > > +			 * consumption at the (eventually clamped) cpu_capacity.
> > > +			 */
> > 
> > Right.
> > 
> > > +			sum_util += schedutil_cpu_util(cpu, cfs_util, cpu_cap,
> > > +						       ENERGY_UTIL, NULL);
> > > +
> > > +			/*
> > > +			 * Performance domain frequency: utilization clamping
> > > +			 * must be considered since it affects the selection
> > > +			 * of the performance domain frequency.
> > > +			 */
> > 
> > So that actually affects the way we deal with RT I think. I assume the
> > idea is to say if you don't want to reflect the RT-go-to-max-freq thing
> > in EAS (which is what we do now) you should set the min cap for RT to 0.
> > Is that correct ?
> 
> By default configuration, RT tasks still go to max when uclamp is
> enabled, since they get a util_min=1024.
> 
> If we want to save power on RT tasks, we can set a smaller util_min...
> but not necessarily 0. A util_min=0 for RT tasks means to use just
> cpu_util_rt() for that class.

Ah, sorry, I guess my message was misleading. I'm saying this is
changing the way _EAS_ deals with RT tasks. Right now we don't actually
consider the RT-go-to-max thing at all in the EAS prediction. Your
patch is changing that AFAICT. It actually changes the way EAS sees RT
tasks even without uclamp ...

But I'm not hostile to the idea since it's possible to enable uclamp and
set the min cap to 0 for RT if you want. So there is a story there.
However, I think this needs be documented somewhere, at the very least.

Thanks,
Quentin

  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-22 13:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-01-15 10:14 [PATCH v6 00/16] Add utilization clamping support Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:14 ` [PATCH v6 01/16] sched/core: Allow sched_setattr() to use the current policy Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-25 13:56   ` Alessio Balsini
2019-01-15 10:14 ` [PATCH v6 02/16] sched/core: uclamp: Extend sched_setattr() to support utilization clamping Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 03/16] sched/core: uclamp: Map TASK's clamp values into CPU's clamp buckets Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-21 10:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-21 12:27     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-21 12:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-21 15:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-21 15:34     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 04/16] sched/core: uclamp: Add CPU's clamp buckets refcounting Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-21 14:59   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-21 15:23     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-21 16:12       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-21 16:33         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22  9:45           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 10:31             ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-21 15:17   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-21 15:54     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 10:03       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 10:53         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 05/16] sched/core: uclamp: Update CPU's refcount on clamp changes Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-21 15:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-21 15:44     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22  9:37       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 10:43         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 13:28           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 14:01             ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 14:57               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 15:33                 ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23  9:16                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-23 14:14                     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23 18:59                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-24 11:21                         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-24 12:38                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 06/16] sched/core: uclamp: Enforce last task UCLAMP_MAX Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 07/16] sched/core: uclamp: Add system default clamps Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 13:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 14:43     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 15:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 15:41         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23  9:22           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-23 14:19             ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23 19:10               ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 08/16] sched/cpufreq: uclamp: Add utilization clamping for FAIR tasks Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 10:37   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-22 11:02     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 11:04       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2019-01-22 11:27         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 15:21   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 15:45     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 17:13   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-22 18:18     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23  9:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-23 14:24         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 09/16] sched/cpufreq: uclamp: Add utilization clamping for RT tasks Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 12:30   ` Quentin Perret
2019-01-22 12:37     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23 10:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-23 14:33     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23 10:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-23 14:40     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23 20:11       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-24 12:30         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-24 12:38           ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-24 15:12             ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-24 16:00               ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-24 15:31           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-24 16:14             ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-24 15:33           ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-24 15:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-24 16:05     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 10/16] sched/core: Add uclamp_util_with() Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23 13:33   ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-23 14:51     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-23 19:22       ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 11/16] sched/fair: Add uclamp support to energy_compute() Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 12:13   ` Quentin Perret
2019-01-22 12:45     ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 13:29       ` Quentin Perret [this message]
2019-01-22 14:26         ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 14:39           ` Quentin Perret
2019-01-22 15:01             ` Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-22 15:14               ` Quentin Perret
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 12/16] sched/core: uclamp: Extend CPU's cgroup controller Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 13/16] sched/core: uclamp: Propagate parent clamps Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 14/16] sched/core: uclamp: Map TG's clamp values into CPU's clamp buckets Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 15/16] sched/core: uclamp: Use TG's clamps to restrict TASK's clamps Patrick Bellasi
2019-01-15 10:15 ` [PATCH v6 16/16] sched/core: uclamp: Update CPU's refcount on TG's clamp changes Patrick Bellasi

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