From: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky.work@gmail.com>,
John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Daniel Wang <wonderfly@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Alan Cox <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.com>, Peter Feiner <pfeiner@google.com>,
linux-serial@vger.kernel.org,
Sergey Senozhatsky <sergey.senozhatsky@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/25] printk: new implementation
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2019 11:00:02 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190313020002.GA783@jagdpanzerIV> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190312123857.juatd6fwtfmqajze@pathway.suse.cz>
On (03/12/19 13:38), Petr Mladek wrote:
> > Hmm. OK. So one of the things with printk is that it's fully sequential.
> > We call console drivers one by one. Slow consoles can affect what appears
> > on the fast consoles; fast console have no impact on slow ones.
> >
> > call_console_drivers()
> > for_each_console(c)
> > c->write(c, text, text_len);
> >
> > So a list of (slow_serial serial netcon) console drivers is a camel train;
> > fast netcon is not fast anymore, and slow consoles sometimes are the reason
> > we have dropped messages. And if we drop messages we drop them for all
> > consoles, including fast netcon. Turning that sequential pipline into a
> > bunch of per-console kthreads/irq and letting fast consoles to be fast is
> > not a completely bad thing. Let's think more about this, I'd like to read
> > more opinions.
>
> Per-console kthread sounds interesting but there is the problem with
> reliability. I mean that kthread need not get scheduled.
Correct, it has to get scheduled. From that point of view IRQ offloading
looks better - either to irq_work (like John suggested) or to serial
drivers' irq handler (poll uart xmit + logbuf).
kthread offloading is not super reliable. That's why I played tricks
with CPU affinity - scheduler sometimes schedule printk_kthread on the
same CPU which spins in console_unlock() loop printing the messages, so
printk_kthread offloading never happens. It was first discovered by Jan
Kara (back in the days of async-printk patch set). I think at some point
Jan's async-printk patch set had two printk kthreads.
We also had some concerns regarding offloading on UP systems.
> Some of these problems might get solved by the per-console loglevel
> patchset.
Yes, some.
> Sigh, any feature might be useful in some situation. But we always
> have to consider the cost and the gain. I wonder how common is
> to actively use two consoles at the same time and what would
> be the motivation.
Facebook fleet for example. The motivation is - to have a fancy fast
console that does things which simple serial consoles cannot do and
a slow serial console, which is sometimes more reliable, as last resort.
Fancy stuff usually means dependencies - net, mm, etc. So when fancy
console stop working, slow serial console still does.
-ss
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-03-13 2:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 147+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-02-12 14:29 [RFC PATCH v1 00/25] printk: new implementation John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/25] printk-rb: add printk ring buffer documentation John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:45 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/25] printk-rb: add prb locking functions John Ogness
2019-02-13 15:45 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-13 21:39 ` John Ogness
2019-02-14 10:33 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-14 12:10 ` John Ogness
2019-02-15 10:26 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-15 10:56 ` John Ogness
2019-03-07 2:12 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/25] printk-rb: define ring buffer struct and initializer John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:46 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-02-14 12:46 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/25] printk-rb: add writer interface John Ogness
2019-02-14 15:16 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-14 23:36 ` John Ogness
2019-02-15 1:19 ` John Ogness
2019-02-15 13:47 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-17 1:32 ` John Ogness
2019-02-21 13:51 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/25] printk-rb: add basic non-blocking reading interface John Ogness
2019-02-18 12:54 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-19 21:44 ` John Ogness
2019-02-21 16:22 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/25] printk-rb: add blocking reader support John Ogness
2019-02-18 14:05 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-19 21:47 ` John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/25] printk-rb: add functionality required by printk John Ogness
2019-02-12 17:15 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-02-13 9:20 ` John Ogness
2019-02-18 15:59 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-19 22:08 ` John Ogness
2019-02-22 9:58 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/25] printk: add ring buffer and kthread John Ogness
2019-02-12 15:47 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-19 13:54 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-04 7:38 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-04 10:00 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-04 11:07 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-05 21:00 ` John Ogness
2019-03-06 15:57 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-06 21:17 ` John Ogness
2019-03-06 22:22 ` John Ogness
2019-03-07 6:41 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-07 6:51 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-07 12:50 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-07 5:15 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-11 10:51 ` John Ogness
2019-03-12 9:58 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-12 10:30 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-07 12:06 ` John Ogness
2019-03-08 1:31 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-08 10:04 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/25] printk: remove exclusive console hack John Ogness
2019-02-19 14:03 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/25] printk: redirect emit/store to new ringbuffer John Ogness
2019-02-20 9:01 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-20 21:25 ` John Ogness
2019-02-22 14:43 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-22 15:06 ` John Ogness
2019-02-22 15:25 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-25 12:11 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-25 16:41 ` John Ogness
2019-02-26 9:45 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/25] printk_safe: remove printk safe code John Ogness
2019-02-22 10:37 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-22 13:38 ` John Ogness
2019-02-22 15:15 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 12/25] printk: minimize console locking implementation John Ogness
2019-02-25 13:44 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 13/25] printk: track seq per console John Ogness
2019-02-25 14:59 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-26 8:45 ` John Ogness
2019-02-26 13:11 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 14/25] printk: do boot_delay_msec inside printk_delay John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 15/25] printk: print history for new consoles John Ogness
2019-02-26 14:58 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-26 15:22 ` John Ogness
2019-02-27 9:02 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-27 10:02 ` John Ogness
2019-02-27 13:12 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-04 9:24 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 16/25] printk: implement CON_PRINTBUFFER John Ogness
2019-02-26 15:38 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 17/25] printk: add processor number to output John Ogness
2019-02-13 22:29 ` John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 18/25] console: add write_atomic interface John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 19/25] printk: introduce emergency messages John Ogness
2019-03-07 7:30 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-08 10:31 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-11 12:04 ` John Ogness
2019-03-12 2:51 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-12 2:58 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 20/25] serial: 8250: implement write_atomic John Ogness
2019-02-27 9:46 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-27 10:32 ` John Ogness
2019-02-27 13:55 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-08 4:05 ` John Ogness
2019-03-08 4:17 ` John Ogness
2019-03-08 10:28 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-12 14:29 ` [RFC PATCH v1 21/25] printk: implement KERN_CONT John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH v1 22/25] printk: implement /dev/kmsg John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH v1 23/25] printk: implement syslog John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH v1 24/25] printk: implement kmsg_dump John Ogness
2019-02-12 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH v1 25/25] printk: remove unused code John Ogness
2019-03-08 14:02 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-03-11 2:46 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-11 8:18 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-03-12 9:38 ` Petr Mladek
2019-02-13 1:31 ` [RFC PATCH v1 00/25] printk: new implementation Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-13 13:43 ` John Ogness
2019-03-04 6:39 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-13 1:41 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-13 14:15 ` John Ogness
2019-03-04 5:31 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-13 2:55 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-02-13 14:43 ` John Ogness
2019-03-04 5:23 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-07 9:53 ` John Ogness
2019-03-08 10:00 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-11 10:54 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-12 12:38 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-12 15:15 ` John Ogness
2019-03-13 2:15 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-13 8:19 ` John Ogness
2019-03-13 8:40 ` Sebastian Siewior
2019-03-13 9:27 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-13 10:06 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-14 9:27 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-13 8:46 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2019-03-14 9:14 ` Petr Mladek
2019-03-14 9:35 ` John Ogness
2019-03-13 2:00 ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2019-02-13 16:54 ` David Laight
2019-02-13 22:20 ` John Ogness
2020-01-20 23:05 ` Eugeniu Rosca
2020-01-21 23:56 ` John Ogness
2020-01-22 2:34 ` Eugeniu Rosca
2020-01-22 7:31 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-01-22 16:58 ` Eugeniu Rosca
2020-01-22 19:48 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2020-01-24 16:09 ` Eugeniu Rosca
2020-01-27 12:32 ` Petr Mladek
2020-01-27 13:45 ` Eugeniu Rosca
2020-01-22 10:33 ` John Ogness
2020-01-24 12:13 ` Eugeniu Rosca
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