From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
To: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
Cc: Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>,
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Daniel Lustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Jade Alglave <j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk>,
Luc Maranget <luc.maranget@inria.fr>,
Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
Daniel Kroening <kroening@cs.ox.ac.uk>,
Kernel development list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Adding plain accesses and detecting data races in the LKMM
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 12:38:29 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190421193829.GF24840@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <516794a4-7a3c-4a82-6e45-de650a02a1de@gmail.com>
On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 11:50:14PM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> On Fri, 19 Apr 2019 11:06:41 -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Sat, Apr 20, 2019 at 12:06:58AM +0900, Akira Yokosawa wrote:
> >> Hi Paul,
> >>
> [...]
> >
> >>> + (1) The compiler can reorder the load from a to precede the
> >>> + atomic_dec(), (2) Because x86 smp_mb__before_atomic() is only a
> >>> + compiler barrier, the CPU can reorder the preceding store to
> >>> + obj->dead with the later load from a.
> >>> +
> >>> + This could be avoided by using READ_ONCE(), which would prevent the
> >>> + compiler from reordering due to both atomic_dec() and READ_ONCE()
> >>> + being volatile accesses, and is usually preferable for loads from
> >>> + shared variables. However, weakly ordered CPUs would still be
> >>> + free to reorder the atomic_dec() with the load from a, so a more
> >>> + readable option is to also use smp_mb__after_atomic() as follows:
> >>
> >> The point here is not just "readability", but also the portability of the
> >> code, isn't it?
> >
> > As Andrea noted, in this particular case, the guarantee that the
> > store to obj->dead precedes the load from x is portable. Either the
> > smp_mb__before_atomic() or the atomic_dec() must provide the ordering.
>
> I think I understood this. What I wanted to say was the code for x86 implied
> in the subjunctive sentence:
>
> obj->dead = 1;
> smp_mb__before_atomic();
> atomic_dec(&obj->ref_count);
> r1 = READ_ONCE(x);
>
> , which was not spelled out, is not portable if we expect the ordering of
> atomic_dec() with READ_ONCE().
I now understand that you understood. ;-)
> > However, you are right that there is some non-portability. But this
> > non-portability involves the order of the atomic_dec() and the store to x.
>
> Yes, you've guessed it right.
Don't worry, it won't happen again!
> > So what I did was ...
> >
> >> Thanks, Akira
> >>
> >>> +
> >>> + WRITE_ONCE(obj->dead, 1);
> >>> + smp_mb__before_atomic();
> >>> + atomic_dec(&obj->ref_count);
> >>> + smp_mb__after_atomic();
> >>> + r1 = READ_ONCE(a);
> >>> +
> >>> + This orders all three accesses against each other, and also makes
> >>> + the intent quite clear.
> >
> > ... change the above paragraph to read as follows:
> >
> > In addition, the example without the smp_mb__after_atomic() does
> > not necessarily order the atomic_dec() with the load from x.
> > In contrast, the example with both smp_mb__before_atomic() and
> > smp_mb__after_atomic() orders all three accesses against each other,
> > and also makes the intent quite clear.
> >
> > Does that help?
>
> This looks a little bit redundant to me. The original one is clear
> enough.
>
> How about editing the leading sentence above:
>
> >>> + shared variables. However, weakly ordered CPUs would still be
> >>> + free to reorder the atomic_dec() with the load from a, so a more
> >>> + readable option is to also use smp_mb__after_atomic() as follows:
>
> to read as follows?
>
> shared variables. However, weakly ordered CPUs would still be
> free to reorder the atomic_dec() with the load from x, so a
> portable and more readable option is to also use
> smp_mb__after_atomic() as follows:
Adding "portable and", correct? Makes sense, so I applied this change.
> Obviously, the interesting discussion going on in another thread will
> surely affect this patch.
Quite possibly! ;-)
Thanx, Paul
> >>> See Documentation/atomic_{t,bitops}.txt for more information.
> >>>
> >>> diff --git a/tools/memory-model/linux-kernel.cat b/tools/memory-model/linux-kernel.cat
> >>> index 8dcb37835b61..b6866f93abb8 100644
> >>> --- a/tools/memory-model/linux-kernel.cat
> >>> +++ b/tools/memory-model/linux-kernel.cat
> >>> @@ -28,8 +28,8 @@ include "lock.cat"
> >>> let rmb = [R \ Noreturn] ; fencerel(Rmb) ; [R \ Noreturn]
> >>> let wmb = [W] ; fencerel(Wmb) ; [W]
> >>> let mb = ([M] ; fencerel(Mb) ; [M]) |
> >>> - ([M] ; fencerel(Before-atomic) ; [RMW] ; po? ; [M]) |
> >>> - ([M] ; po? ; [RMW] ; fencerel(After-atomic) ; [M]) |
> >>> + ([M] ; fencerel(Before-atomic) ; [RMW]) |
> >>> + ([RMW] ; fencerel(After-atomic) ; [M]) |
> >>> ([M] ; po? ; [LKW] ; fencerel(After-spinlock) ; [M]) |
> >>> ([M] ; po ; [UL] ; (co | po) ; [LKW] ;
> >>> fencerel(After-unlock-lock) ; [M])
> >>>
> >>
> >
>
prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-04-21 19:42 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-03-19 19:38 Adding plain accesses and detecting data races in the LKMM Alan Stern
2019-04-02 14:42 ` Andrea Parri
2019-04-02 18:06 ` Alan Stern
2019-04-06 0:49 ` Andrea Parri
2019-04-06 16:03 ` Alan Stern
2019-04-08 5:51 ` Andrea Parri
2019-04-08 14:18 ` Alan Stern
2019-04-09 1:36 ` Andrea Parri
2019-04-09 15:01 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-13 21:39 ` Andrea Parri
2019-04-15 13:35 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-15 13:50 ` Alan Stern
2019-04-15 13:53 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-18 12:54 ` Andrea Parri
2019-04-18 17:44 ` Alan Stern
2019-04-18 18:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-18 20:19 ` Alan Stern
2019-04-19 0:53 ` Andrea Parri
2019-04-19 12:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-19 14:34 ` Alan Stern
2019-04-19 17:17 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-19 15:06 ` Akira Yokosawa
2019-04-19 16:37 ` Andrea Parri
2019-04-19 18:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-20 14:50 ` Akira Yokosawa
2019-04-21 19:38 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
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