From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Joel Fernandes <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@arm.com>,
linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] Fix: trace sched switch start/stop racy updates
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2019 13:29:32 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190820202932.GW28441@linux.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190820135612.GS2332@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 03:56:12PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 01:08:02AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>
> > The data tearing issue is almost a non-issue. We're not going to add
> > WRITE_ONCE() to these kinds of places for no good reason.
>
> Paulmck actually has an example of that somewhere; ISTR that particular
> case actually got fixed by GCC, but I'd really _love_ for some compiler
> people (both GCC and LLVM) to state that their respective compilers will
> not do load/store tearing for machine word sized load/stores.
I do very much recall such an example, but I am now unable to either
find it or reproduce it. :-/
If I cannot turn it up in a few days, I will ask the LWN editors to
make appropriate changes to the "Who is afraid" article.
> Without this written guarantee (which supposedly was in older GCC
> manuals but has since gone missing), I'm loathe to rely on it.
>
> Yes, it is very rare, but it is a massive royal pain to debug if/when it
> does do happen.
But from what I can see, Linus is OK with use of WRITE_ONCE() for data
races on any variable for which there is at least one READ_ONCE().
So we can still use WRITE_ONCE() as we would like in our own code.
Yes, you or I might be hit by someone else's omission of WRITE_ONCE(),
it is better than the proverbial kick in the teeth.
Of course, if anyone knows of a compiler/architecture combination that
really does tear stores of 32-bit constants, please do not keep it
a secret! After all, it would be good to get that addressed easily
starting now rather than after a difficult and painful series of
debugging sessions.
Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-08-20 20:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-05-18 10:29 WARNING in tracepoint_probe_register_prio (3) syzbot
2019-08-16 0:11 ` syzbot
2019-08-16 14:26 ` [PATCH 1/1] Fix: trace sched switch start/stop racy updates Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-16 16:25 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-16 16:48 ` Valentin Schneider
2019-08-16 17:04 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-16 17:41 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-16 19:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-16 19:19 ` Alan Stern
2019-08-16 20:44 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-16 20:49 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-08-16 20:57 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-16 22:27 ` Valentin Schneider
2019-08-16 22:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-17 1:41 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-17 4:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-17 8:28 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-17 8:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-17 15:02 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-17 20:03 ` Valentin Schneider
2019-08-17 23:00 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-19 10:34 ` Valentin Schneider
2019-08-17 22:28 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-20 14:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-20 20:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-20 20:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-20 20:52 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-16 21:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-17 1:36 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-17 2:13 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-17 14:40 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-17 15:26 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-17 15:55 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-17 16:40 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-17 22:06 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-17 8:08 ` Linus Torvalds
2019-08-20 13:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-20 20:29 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message]
2019-08-21 10:32 ` Will Deacon
2019-08-21 13:23 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-21 13:32 ` Will Deacon
2019-08-21 13:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-21 16:22 ` Will Deacon
2019-08-21 15:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-08-21 15:48 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-21 16:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-08-21 19:03 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-09-09 6:21 ` Herbert Xu
2019-08-16 20:49 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-16 20:59 ` Joel Fernandes
2019-08-17 1:25 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-18 9:15 ` stable markup was " Pavel Machek
2019-08-16 17:19 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-16 19:15 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-17 14:27 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-17 15:42 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-17 15:53 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2019-08-17 16:43 ` Steven Rostedt
2019-08-16 12:32 ` WARNING in tracepoint_probe_register_prio (3) syzbot
2019-08-16 12:41 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
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