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From: "Pali Rohár" <pali.rohar@gmail.com>
To: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: "Sasha Levin" <sashal@kernel.org>,
	devel@driverdev.osuosl.org,
	"Christoph Hellwig" <hch@infradead.org>,
	"Valdis Klētnieks" <valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Sasha Levin" <alexander.levin@microsoft.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] staging: exfat: add exfat filesystem code to staging
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 18:32:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191016163231.dgvurzdqcifunw35@pali> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191016162211.GA505532@kroah.com>

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On Wednesday 16 October 2019 09:22:11 Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 06:03:49PM +0200, Pali Rohár wrote:
> > > Can I assume you will be implementing TexFAT support once the spec is
> > > available?
> > 
> > I cannot promise that I would implement something which I do not know
> > how is working... It depends on how complicated TexFAT is and also how
> > future exfat support in kernel would look like.
> > 
> > But I'm interesting in implementing it.
> 
> What devices need TexFAT?  I thought it the old devices that used it are
> long obsolete and gone.  How is this feature going to be tested/used?

Hi Greg! Per 3.1.16 of exFAT specification [1], TexFAT extension is the
only way how to use more FAT tables, like in FAT32 (where you normally
have two FATs). Secondary FAT table can be used e.g. for redundancy or
data recovery. For FAT32 volumes, e.g. fsck.fat uses secondary FAT table
when first one is corrupted.

Usage of just one FAT table in exFAT is just step backward from FAT32 as
secondary FAT table is sometimes the only way how to recover broken FAT
fs. So I do not think that exFAT is for old devices, but rather
non-exFAT is for old devices. Modern filesystems have journal or other
technique to do (fast|some) recovery, exFAT has nothing.

And how is this feature going to be used? That depends on specification.

[1] - https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/fileio/exfat-specification#3116-numberoffats-field

-- 
Pali Rohár
pali.rohar@gmail.com

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-16 16:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-08-28 16:08 [PATCH] staging: exfat: add exfat filesystem code to staging Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-08-28 17:00 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-08-29  6:23   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-29  6:39     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-08-29  9:41       ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-29  9:50         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-08-29 10:37           ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-29 11:04             ` Gao Xiang
2019-08-29 11:18               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-08-29 11:18             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-08-29 15:11               ` Dan Carpenter
2019-08-29 15:27                 ` Gao Xiang
2019-08-29 15:43                   ` Dan Carpenter
2019-08-29 15:51                     ` Gao Xiang
2019-08-29 16:04                       ` Gao Xiang
2019-08-30  8:34                         ` Dan Carpenter
2019-08-30  8:43                           ` Gao Xiang
2019-08-30 11:26                             ` Dan Carpenter
2019-08-30 12:04                               ` Gao Xiang
2019-08-29 16:44                     ` Gao Xiang
2019-08-29 16:59                       ` Joe Perches
2019-08-29 17:02                         ` Gao Xiang
2019-08-30  2:06                     ` Chao Yu
2019-08-30  6:38                       ` Gao Xiang
2019-08-30 12:00                         ` Checking usage of likeliness annotations Markus Elfring
2019-08-30 11:51                       ` [PATCH] staging: exfat: add exfat filesystem code to staging David Sterba
2019-08-31  3:50                         ` Chao Yu
2019-08-30 15:36               ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-30 21:54               ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-31 10:31                 ` Valdis Klētnieks
2019-09-01  0:04                   ` Dave Chinner
2019-08-29  7:01     ` Gao Xiang
2019-08-29  8:24       ` Gao Xiang
2019-08-29  9:51         ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-29 12:14 ` Pali Rohár
2019-08-29 12:34   ` Valdis Klētnieks
2019-08-29 12:46     ` Pali Rohár
2019-08-29 14:08 ` Markus Elfring
2019-08-29 15:44 ` Markus Elfring
2019-08-29 20:56 ` Pali Rohár
2019-08-29 23:18   ` Valdis Klētnieks
2019-08-29 23:35     ` Sasha Levin
2019-08-30  7:56       ` Pali Rohár
2019-10-16 14:03         ` Pali Rohár
2019-10-16 14:31           ` Sasha Levin
2019-10-16 16:03             ` Pali Rohár
2019-10-16 16:20               ` Sasha Levin
2019-10-16 16:22               ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-10-16 16:32                 ` Pali Rohár [this message]
2019-10-16 16:50                   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2019-10-16 20:33               ` Sasha Levin
2019-10-16 21:53                 ` Valdis Klētnieks
2019-10-17  7:53                   ` Pali Rohár
2019-10-17  7:50                 ` Pali Rohár
2020-02-13  0:06                   ` Pali Rohár
2020-02-13 21:18                     ` Sasha Levin
2020-02-14 22:16                       ` Valdis Klētnieks
2020-02-14 22:43                         ` Pali Rohár
2020-02-14 23:25                           ` Valdis Klētnieks
2020-04-21 21:30                       ` exfat upcase table for code points above U+FFFF (Was: Re: [PATCH] staging: exfat: add exfat filesystem code to staging) Pali Rohár
2020-04-27 15:49                         ` Sasha Levin
2020-04-28  7:46                           ` Pali Rohár
2019-10-16 16:05             ` [PATCH] staging: exfat: add exfat filesystem code to staging Valdis Klētnieks
2019-08-30  8:03     ` Pali Rohár
2019-08-30 15:40   ` Christoph Hellwig
2019-08-30 15:43     ` Pali Rohár
2019-09-14 13:39 ` [PATCH] staging: exfat: add exfat filesystem code to Park Ju Hyung
2019-09-15 13:54   ` Greg KH
2019-09-15 16:11     ` Ju Hyung Park
     [not found] ` <20190918195920.25210-1-qkrwngud825@gmail.com>
2019-09-18 20:12   ` [PATCH] staging: exfat: rebase to sdFAT v2.2.0 Greg KH
2019-09-18 20:13   ` Greg KH
2019-09-18 20:22     ` Ju Hyung Park
2019-09-18 20:26       ` Greg KH
2019-09-18 20:31         ` Ju Hyung Park
2019-09-18 20:46           ` Valdis Klētnieks
2019-09-18 21:31   ` kbuild test robot
2019-09-18 21:31   ` kbuild test robot
2019-09-18 22:17     ` Ju Hyung Park
2019-10-24  9:39 ` [PATCH] staging: exfat: add exfat filesystem code to staging Pali Rohár

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